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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 15:09:21 GMT
We most definitely aren't 'ahead'. And we'll be even further behind once we've completely left the EU. Ignoring the issues hoping they'll go away work fix anything, this is in no way a perfect world and thats why I love theatre because it [most of the time] provides such a necessary escape from the realities of life. We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
Thats because theres still another 2 years of negotiations ahead before we will have completely left and then we deal with the consequences. I just believe, socially, we're stronger together than individually standing. Especially at this time where the world is so politically volatile (USA/Russia/N.Korea) we need to be standing together not desperately dividing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 15:13:33 GMT
See... I watch the news and get a vague idea of what going on, I could not think of anything worse than sitting listening to a podcast or reading the politics section of a newspaper, a view that I know alot of young people share. If they done more stuff to appeal to younger people to get them involved in politics, thst would really help their voting numbers I am sure of it. Things done to "attract young people" only results in things being dumbed down. Politics is complicated because life is complicated but it is your responsibility to understand, as far as possible, political issues as you're an adult.
If you, for example, vote Labour, Conservative, UKIP or Green: I don't care. That is your democratic right but something which should be based upon an adult understanding of issues and your interpretation of events and your opinion as to who is providing the best solutions.
As I said, it's not the duty of people to make politics easy but your responsibility to understand politics.
There are people out there who regret the widening of the franchise, don't dive them ammunition.
I completely understand and respect where you are coming from, but speaking for me personally, i just do not have the brain capacity for politics, the ins and outs of things. The main things i know about politics are what is reported in mainstream news. So I am not completely unaware, and I make sure, going into the voting, I know exactly what I am voting for and have done a few times. But I could not tell you anything about finance, I could not explain what it means when the pound goes down and the euro rises or whatever it is... ... but I can tell you some of our politicians could do with a good blow dry and some botox.  *I'm joking with that last part. Well, not joking, but in the sense of I am only saying it now to lighten the mood and to not bore anyone reading this haha. I completely respect whst you are saying though, so plesse don't read this as a criticism of what you are telling me, it is nothing against you personally!  |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:15:18 GMT
We are the first nation of many to leave the EU. Our earlier departure will ensure we have the upperhand on those who leave afterwards and it might not exist in 20 years time.
For all the fear disseminated by Project fear, the post-Brexit apocalypse never materialised.
Thats because theres still another 2 years of negotiations ahead before we will have completely left and then we deal with the consequences. I just believe, socially, we're stronger together than individually standing. Especially at this time where the world is so politically volatile (USA/Russia/N.Korea) we need to be standing together not desperately dividing. In The Times at the weekend it said that Angela Merkel meets the British secret service more often than the German.
We will remain an integral part of Europe beyond Brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 15:21:59 GMT
Thats because theres still another 2 years of negotiations ahead before we will have completely left and then we deal with the consequences. I just believe, socially, we're stronger together than individually standing. Especially at this time where the world is so politically volatile (USA/Russia/N.Korea) we need to be standing together not desperately dividing. In The Times at the weekend it said that Angela Merkel meets the British secret service more often than the German.
We will remain an integral part of Europe beyond Brexit.
The Times. Owned by News UK in cahoots with Murdoch. They'll print what they want you to believe. |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:28:05 GMT
In The Times at the weekend it said that Angela Merkel meets the British secret service more often than the German.
We will remain an integral part of Europe beyond Brexit.
The Times. Owned by News UK in cahoots with Murdoch. They'll print what they want you to believe. Do you think Europe is in a position to completely shun us post Brexit?
Whether it is true or not, and The Times is one of the most respected papers in The World which gives the story some credence, it is obvious to most observers that those remainers who claim our post-Brexit future is one of misery have not considered how important we are to our European neighbours and Allies.
It is my opinion that we will get a good deal which will see most people unaffected by Brexit in the long run.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 15:29:48 GMT
The Times. Owned by News UK in cahoots with Murdoch. They'll print what they want you to believe. Do you think Europe is in a position to complete shun us post Brexit?
Whether it is true or not, and The Times is one of the most respected papers in The World which gives the story some credence, it is obvious to most observers that those remainers who claim our post-Brexit future is one of misery have not considered how important we are to our European neighbours and Allies.
It is my opinion that we will get a good deal which will see most people unaffected by Brexit in the long run.
This isn't the 19th Century - The Times doesn't have that reputation anymore. Anyway who said shun us? There's a wide spread of possibilities between shun and full membership. |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:42:09 GMT
Do you think Europe is in a position to complete shun us post Brexit?
Whether it is true or not, and The Times is one of the most respected papers in The World which gives the story some credence, it is obvious to most observers that those remainers who claim our post-Brexit future is one of misery have not considered how important we are to our European neighbours and Allies.
It is my opinion that we will get a good deal which will see most people unaffected by Brexit in the long run.
This isn't the 19th Century - The Times doesn't have that reputation anymore. Anyway who said shun us? There's a wide spread of possibilities between shun and full membership. Do you honestly think there are many more respected papers in the World than The Times?
Do you think there are any more respected in the UK?
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 15:45:56 GMT
This isn't the 19th Century - The Times doesn't have that reputation anymore. Anyway who said shun us? There's a wide spread of possibilities between shun and full membership. Do you honestly think there are many more respected papers in the World than The Times?
Do you think there are any more respected in the UK?
No - I don't think newspapers are particularly respected anymore. The old days of the newspaper of record have long gone. |
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 15:49:11 GMT
Do you honestly think there are many more respected papers in the World than The Times?
Do you think there are any more respected in the UK?
No - I don't think newspapers are particularly respected anymore. The old days of the newspaper of record have long gone. I agree that Newspapers are not held in the same esteem as previous generations (and we'll probably see many close within the next decade) however, The Times - for whatever it is worth in 2017 - is still amongst the most respected Newspapers in the World.
It is also more of a source of record than any other in the UK and, needless to say, social media.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 15:50:20 GMT
For source of record the BBC has long since left it behind, for investigative reporting the Guardian has had it in the shade for years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 15:56:51 GMT
If I ever need a news story, I go straight to the BBC website, as that is brilliant at updating news as it happens! Newpapers have slowly been declining in circulation since the internet, now they are more just something to read to pass the time on the tube for alot of people.
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 16:32:26 GMT
For source of record the BBC has long since left it behind. The BBC is nothing but a left wing mouthpiece which has been exposed far too often for spinning political stories to suit their agenda when they are meant to simply say what has happened and remained impartial. They are no better than Sky News. |
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 18, 2017 16:44:13 GMT
What gets me out the door to vote is often the thought that people fought and died for this right many years ago. Especially as a woman I wonder what would Emmeline Pankhurst and the like think of modern women who can't be arsed to go out and exercise the right those women had to fight for so bitterly? That said, there's a regional election happening here in May which is pretty much pointless since the Ruhrgebiet dimwits will keep voting for the social democrats (= German Labour) no matter how awful they have been in governing this mess of a state. Still, I'll be out there, casting my vote, BECAUSE I CAN. And frankly, your people in charge suddenly make me think that I'll be able to get through four more years of Merkel and her glum face after all... OK, so I'm an American and I feel much the same way as in your first paragraph. My family came here from China (late 1800s and the 1950s) and I feel that so much of that struggle -- through racism, poverty, oppression, etc -- is just a waste if I don't at least go vote. And make it an educated vote at that. And please, if you are apathetic about politics, please stop being so. It's not a spectator sport. I want to say I'm galled by Daniel's attitude in here, but I'm more like glum and disappointed because I know many people in my age range (not sure what yours is; mine is late 30s) who have felt the same way and are now getting a crash course in what happens when complacency reigns. I never thought I'd see the day where I had to be -- at a baseline -- worried about what the president will do on any given day. I miss the days where I could just happily go a few days without even thinking about what he might be doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:05:32 GMT
I really didn't mean to upset or offend anyone by what I was saying, but it is just how I feel and I know a fair few of my generation feel too. I'm sorry.  |
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Post by Steffi on Apr 18, 2017 17:21:03 GMT
I don't think anyone is offended. It's more a case of being worried because the country (any country, really) needs a politically educated and interested young generation.
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Post by 49thand8th on Apr 18, 2017 17:22:31 GMT
I really didn't mean to upset or offend anyone by what I was saying, but it is just how I feel and I know a fair few of my generation feel too. I'm sorry. Please change how you feel. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:25:46 GMT
The politicians like it if the people are politically apathetic, it's much easier to get things done if no one's fighting you. The more boring or complicated or irrelevant you find the whole affair, the more you should be paying attention, because that's just what they don't want.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:44:41 GMT
ive recently had to research brexit for uni, pros and cons, economy etc and since then i am alot less worried about leaving, in fact if we voted again id be tempted to vote leave instead of remain.
The EU itself is a heavily flawed political institution (like most governments) that played a part in its own downfall. Sadly people have hijacked the vote for bigoted purposes or just gone with a 'leaving europe' idea when we have left the EU not Europe itself . The whole thing has been handled poorly on both sides but the decision has been made and we now need consistancy for the next few years if we are going to get best deal possible. Personally i hope we have a hard brexit now and make a clean break, a soft brexit is unlikely to please anyone
Bottom line is there are pros and cons to both staying and remaining and there are no winners or losers, it just depends how it affects you personally as to how you think. Peoples lack of understanding or willingness to see others viewpoints has made matters worse. To assume its all daily mail and sun readers who voted to leave is wrong. ive spoken to lots of people, many very educated people and there is definately a more balanced view out there. People just seem to prefer to making sweeping comments (either on the left or the right of politics)
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Post by lynette on Apr 18, 2017 17:47:40 GMT
Well, you guys who are in the group that didn't get to the voting station last time..'young' people that is, put a little note in your diaries. As for that silly woman on the tv who said, 'Not again' does she know that there are women, indeed men as well, who can't vote freely, don't know what voting actually is and would give their right arms to be in the UK and be able to vote? She should be shamed of herself. I have no time for people who moan and don't vote. Vote.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 17:52:18 GMT
For source of record the BBC has long since left it behind. The BBC is nothing but a left wing mouthpiece which has been exposed far too often for spinning political stories to suit their agenda when they are meant to simply say what has happened and remained impartial. They are no better than Sky News. While The Times have never reflected the views of its owner. You might struggle to convince the left of the Labour Party that the BBC are a left wing mouthpiece. Though to be fair you'd struggle to convince anyone who doesn't spout extreme conspiracy theories. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 18, 2017 18:17:27 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen. I present Brenda.
Ryan your reputation proceeds you, you have always liked a strong leading lady!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 18:21:49 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen. I present Brenda.
Ryan your reputation proceeds you, you have always liked a strong leading lady!!! She's really makin' waves our Brenda, she is all over the internet! |
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 18, 2017 18:27:53 GMT
So what do we have.
A general election that Conservatives should do well. But I think the Liberal lot will pick up more seats.
However if Labour did win or went into coalition it will validate Corbyn, however that is very very unlikely, so we are going to get a General Election in a months time that Corbyn will likely lose, opposed to one in 3 years time that Corbyn will lose. What this means the Labour Party can move on, after the next election and provide genuine opposition and win the 2022 general election, Than have a dreadful Tory government for the next 8 years. So what this means we get the Torys for a extra 2 years.
When George Osbourne said that Brexit would mean an emergency budget, he lied, he should of said it has brought down the bloody government.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Apr 18, 2017 18:39:53 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn will resign in the early hours of Friday 9 June 2017. I think the opposite will happen. I think 150 progressive MP's will resign/not get elected/be kicked out of the party and the Labour party can return to being a Socialist party for the people.
Go 'ed Corbyn
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Post by edmundokeano on Apr 18, 2017 18:40:34 GMT
The BBC is nothing but a left wing mouthpiece which has been exposed far too often for spinning political stories to suit their agenda when they are meant to simply say what has happened and remained impartial. They are no better than Sky News. While The Times have never reflected the views of its owner. You might struggle to convince the left of the Labour Party that the BBC are a left wing mouthpiece. Though to be fair you'd struggle to convince anyone who doesn't spout extreme conspiracy theories. The Times is mildly right-wing but it is beyond doubt that the BBC is fiercely left-wing. The difference is that the latter is meant to inform and educate NOT have a political standpoint which has led to it be discredited.
The hard-left of the Labour party would think everyone and everything right of the Morning Star is right-wing scum and I'm not sure of the point of your "conspiracy theory" statement.
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