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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 18, 2017 10:41:22 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn will resign in the early hours of Friday 9 June 2017. Oh yes yes please!
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Post by Jan on Apr 18, 2017 10:41:50 GMT
It's just going to be the same old sh*t though. Without voting reform, the safe constituencies are going to stay as they were, so we're going to have to count on the more contestable constituencies wanting to make a change, and if they don't, then we're still going to end up with a Tory government, who will use their victory as justification for plowing ahead with all their plans, tossing out words like "mandate" and "will of the people" like 37% is an *actual* majority, and not just what happens when you pretend the population is too thick to rank their favourites in order of preference and therefore first-past-the-post is definitely the best option. I'm so goddamned burnt out on politics. No-one except you is pretending that is the reason we still have first-past-the-post. The real reason is that 67.9% of the voters in the AV referendum voted to keep it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 10:45:09 GMT
She should have worn a hat. or a paper bag
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 10:47:09 GMT
It's just going to be the same old sh*t though. Without voting reform, the safe constituencies are going to stay as they were, so we're going to have to count on the more contestable constituencies wanting to make a change, and if they don't, then we're still going to end up with a Tory government, who will use their victory as justification for plowing ahead with all their plans, tossing out words like "mandate" and "will of the people" like 37% is an *actual* majority, and not just what happens when you pretend the population is too thick to rank their favourites in order of preference and therefore first-past-the-post is definitely the best option. I'm so goddamned burnt out on politics. 52% was an *actual* majority though wasn't it. You cant have it both ways. A majority of people who turned up to vote, but not a majority of the electorate, and DEFINITELY not a majority of the country's population.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 10:49:38 GMT
It's just going to be the same old sh*t though. Without voting reform, the safe constituencies are going to stay as they were, so we're going to have to count on the more contestable constituencies wanting to make a change, and if they don't, then we're still going to end up with a Tory government, who will use their victory as justification for plowing ahead with all their plans, tossing out words like "mandate" and "will of the people" like 37% is an *actual* majority, and not just what happens when you pretend the population is too thick to rank their favourites in order of preference and therefore first-past-the-post is definitely the best option. I'm so goddamned burnt out on politics. No-one except you is pretending that is the reason we still have first-past-the-post. The real reason is that 67.9% of the voters in the AV referendum voted to keep it. Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying I am 32.1% of the voters in the AV referendum all by myself? I know the turn-out wasn't exactly huge, but I didn't think it was *that* bad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 10:50:32 GMT
A majority of people who turned up to vote, but not a majority of the electorate, and DEFINITELY not a majority of the country's population. Yes, an absolute majority of the voters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 10:53:13 GMT
I suspect that Theresa May has made this announcement so as to distract us from the BBC's ending of Saturday Review.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 18, 2017 10:58:28 GMT
Perhaps we could get the "Election Fairy" to help us predict how that part of the electorate who can't be bothered to get off their arses and vote, WOULD vote had they had the time and inclination to do so.
No? Thought not.
You can't have it both ways.
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Post by Jan on Apr 18, 2017 11:07:46 GMT
No-one except you is pretending that is the reason we still have first-past-the-post. The real reason is that 67.9% of the voters in the AV referendum voted to keep it. Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying I am 32.1% of the voters in the AV referendum all by myself? I know the turn-out wasn't exactly huge, but I didn't think it was *that* bad. Yes, I am aware you are confused. You are saying we don't have AV because some unspecified "you" think the electorate is too thick to rank candidates in order of preference. I think it was because we had a referendum on that exact topic, approved by the LibDems in a coalition government, and the outcome was a massive majority in favour of retaining first-past-the-post. Well, people can make up their own minds who is right. (Clue: It's me).
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2017 11:11:37 GMT
Inevitable really - despite all she has said about not going for an early election - what politician doesn't look at those poll numbers and think it's worth the risk.
Two good things might come from this - first, the end of Corbyn if the Labour Party do as badly as the polls suggest. Surely even his true believers don't think he'll be able to continue after that!
The second is that May seems to be framing this as a you can only trust us to deliver Brexit which may lead to a big decline in the UKIP vote - after all what can they offer that the Tories aren't already doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 11:15:58 GMT
I think the point here is that a majority does not mean a mandate to do whatever you want.
Out of the people who voted in the EU referendum, a slim majority voted to leave. But that's all they did: voted to leave. What that actually means in terms of policies and political agreements is still something that needs to be debated by parliament, and that means all of parliament. It's not up to the PM and her cabinet to make all the decisions and everyone else just has to suck it up.
My MP isn't someone I voted for but on the whole he does a pretty good job. Regardless of the fact that I didn't vote for him, he's all I have when it comes to representing my interests in the running of the country. The same goes for everyone else whose MP isn't part of the Prime Minister's inner circle. We have as much right to a voice as anyone else, and the PM has absolutely no right to object when someone in the Commons or in the Lords challenges what she says. Our democracy is based on the principle that parliament reaches decisions by discussion. What May is implying is that if you're not one of the lucky few whose representative is right at the heart of the government then you don't get to have a say in the future of Britain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 11:17:23 GMT
Thrilled that I'll be in New York for the latter part of May so I don't have to hear quite so much about this nonsense.
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Post by Jan on Apr 18, 2017 11:17:44 GMT
Inevitable really - despite all she has said about not going for an early election - what politician doesn't look at those poll numbers and think it's worth the risk. Yes and despite the fact the Fixed Term Parliament Act which they all voted for was specifically designed to prevent political opportunism like this. You are right on UKIP, they are finished. All those wringing their hands about first-past-the-post should reflect that AV (or even worse full PR) would be likely to deliver a large UKIP group of MPs. First-past-the-post will deliver none.
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Post by bellboard27 on Apr 18, 2017 11:18:38 GMT
I've already pencilled in 9 June as leave, so I don't have to worry about an all night watch of the results coming in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 11:29:12 GMT
...what politician doesn't look at those poll numbers and think it's worth the risk. Its happened before and didn't exactly go to plan... *cough cameron cough brexit*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 11:36:58 GMT
Someone just give me the brief description, I don't follow politics and I fon't wanna read three pages worth haha. Another election though?! What are we voting for this time?! It feels like all we do these days is vote!!
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Post by jgblunners on Apr 18, 2017 11:39:21 GMT
Someone just give me the brief description, I don't follow politics and I fon't wanna read three pages worth haha. Another election though?! What are we voting for this time?! It feels like all we do these days is vote!! It's basically just Theresa May trying to cement her position before anything can go majorly wrong with Brexit, and while Labour is still working under the incompetence of Corbyn and therefore poses a vastly reduced threat to her campaign.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 11:45:56 GMT
What are we voting for this time?! It's the General Election for the Members of the UK Parliament in the House of Commons. The UK is divided into geographical constituencies in which the registered voters elect the candidate who receives most votes on June 8.
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Post by Phantom of London on Apr 18, 2017 11:47:42 GMT
I will be having a nice Greek Salad and Ouzo in Crete, thank god.
However a general election will not galvanise anything on brexit, we still will not have a clue what brexit will look like, because Theresa May hasn't got a clue herself, the brexit we will get are the soundbites that land the best in the Sun and Daily Mail and what affects the money markets, barista visas sounds appealing to all these.
What a general election will mean will be a stronger conservative majority, Lberal Democrats will gain more seats in the process.
However on the domestic front it will mean that the country will get more grammar schools.
Will mean that the fox hunting bill will be made legal.
Will mean a further demise to social mobility where the rich get richer, by avoiding more taxes, which sadly will mean the poor will suffer more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 11:57:08 GMT
Like I said when Brexit and Donald Trump happened... we are already f***ed, so may as well just sit back, watch the world fall to pieces and go out drunk and happy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:00:28 GMT
Like I said when Brexit and Donald Trump happened... we are already f***ed, so may as well just sit back, watch the world fall to pieces and go out drunk and happy. I'll record you as Undecided.
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Post by Mr Snow on Apr 18, 2017 12:03:49 GMT
Corbyn will have to be dragged out, not screaming but just talking his usual b+++++++s. He should be tried as a Traitor for undermining any concept of Democracy.
The SNP have been wrong footed and are currently at their weakest and this will hurt them dearly.
So here’s hoping one politician can put their hand up and make a clear case to lead opposition to the party that has been in power 25 of the 39 years since I’ve had the vote. Although it will be 30 of 44 by the time they next get a chance.
Now lets all get up and Dance!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:26:33 GMT
Someone just give me the brief description, I don't follow politics and I fon't wanna read three pages worth haha. Another election though?! What are we voting for this time?! It feels like all we do these days is vote!! And this is why we got Brexit, folks. ;-) OK so I'm just teasing danieljohnson14, and I know he's kidding too - but for a lot of young (and not so young) people this will be the way they really think. And who can blame them?!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:27:15 GMT
Like I said when Brexit and Donald Trump happened... we are already f***ed, so may as well just sit back, watch the world fall to pieces and go out drunk and happy. Thank god ur our future! 'Where were u when democracy was destroyed grandad" "meh"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:29:02 GMT
Like I said when Brexit and Donald Trump happened... we are already f***ed, so may as well just sit back, watch the world fall to pieces and go out drunk and happy. Thank god ur our future! 'Where were u when democracy was destroyed grandad" "meh" To be fair, I always thought I was gonna die young, so I wouldn't bank on me being your future lovely.
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