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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 22:07:47 GMT
This is laughably bad Like a school play The acting is hilarious itself But the dialogue is so stilted And self referential The whole thing is like a parody of something Yes it’s better than Macbeth And urine is also better than excrement Excellent. Reckon this could be the best play of 2018 then Okay The second half is MUCH better But for me it’s too melodramatic Plenty of people sniffling towards the end 🙄 It may well be transferring from what I hear Tonally it is confused And the themes are presented in the broadest possible way But overall there are some powerful scenes And the ending is nice I wish they had used a real lantern though Not one with an electric light and a balloon inside it WFT?!
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Post by theatrelover123 on Mar 16, 2018 22:16:17 GMT
Excellent. Reckon this could be the best play of 2018 then Okay The second half is MUCH better But for me it’s too melodramatic Plenty of people sniffling towards the end 🙄 It may well be transferring from what I hear Tonally it is confused And the themes are presented in the broadest possible way But overall there are some powerful scenes And the ending is nice I wish they had used a real lantern though Not one with an electric light and a balloon inside it WFT?! Where did you hear that it might be transferring? And yeah I thought the same. WHAT f*** THE?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 22:42:13 GMT
Okay The second half is MUCH better But for me it’s too melodramatic Plenty of people sniffling towards the end 🙄 It may well be transferring from what I hear Tonally it is confused And the themes are presented in the broadest possible way But overall there are some powerful scenes And the ending is nice I wish they had used a real lantern though Not one with an electric light and a balloon inside it WFT?! Where did you hear that it might be transferring? And yeah I thought the same. WHAT f*** THE?! The creative team gossiping to friends
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Post by nash16 on Mar 16, 2018 23:02:03 GMT
Also there tonight.
Definitely a play of two halves in terms of emotional involvement. A shame, as I think, unfortunately because of the acting standard from some and this lack of audience connection, people may leave at the interval, and moss the superior second half.
The first sets things up, but it doesn't really start to engage the audience until about halfway through the second. A very striking monologue is especially powerful, and from then til the end we finally feel for the characters.
The writing has a tendency to repeat and also to come across a bit soap-like. And the acting (from some, not all) results in a school play feel at times.
Also, does every Asian set play have to use a box set on a revolve? Is this a thing? #Chimerica
It's a story we both knew nothing about, so very interesting from that point of view. Also, we didn't have a clue how it would end so that kept us engaged.
But without an emotional involvement in the first half, and with time seemingly raced through (we got from 1079 to almost present day, although with little ageing) it's a tricky play to love.
Side note: Is the Dorfman now the only space at the NT allowed to showcase different ethnicities?
Barbershop... The Great Wave... Nine Night... An Octoroon...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 23:35:17 GMT
Also there tonight. Definitely a play of two halves in terms of emotional involvement. A shame, as I think, unfortunately because of the acting standard from some and this lack of audience connection, people may leave at the interval, and moss the superior second half. The first sets things up, but it doesn't really start to engage the audience until about halfway through the second. A very striking monologue is especially powerful, and from then til the end we finally feel for the characters. The writing has a tendency to repeat and also to come across a bit soap-like. And the acting (from some, not all) results in a school play feel at times. Also, does every Asian set play have to use a box set on a revolve? Is this a thing? #Chimerica It's a story we both knew nothing about, so very interesting from that point of view. Also, we didn't have a clue how it would end so that kept us engaged. But without an emotional involvement in the first half, and with time seemingly raced through (we got from 1079 to almost present day, although with little ageing) it's a tricky play to love. Side note: Is the Dorfman now the only space at the NT allowed to showcase different ethnicities? Barbershop... The Great Wave... Nine Night... An Octoroon... 100% agree with you! Sorry I missed you
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Post by theatre-turtle on Mar 17, 2018 17:14:40 GMT
Was just at the matinee
I really enjoyed this a lot and I was quite affected by it. It’s very melodramatic and there were a lot of people weeping around me. There were a smattering of people giving a standing ovation at the end.
Agree with the comments that act 2 is far superior to act 1. I think that’s because it does take a bit of work to buy into the premise which is a hard sell. Act 1 takes some twisty directions and spends a lot of time setting the scene.
It very much comes together in act 2 though and it’s very intense and fast paced. The audience really seemed engrossed by the end.
For me it’s one of the best new plays I’ve seen for a while and I say this as someone that sees ~ 2 a week. I thought it was much better than Mosquitoes for example.
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Post by showgirl on Mar 17, 2018 23:13:18 GMT
Thank you, jamb0r and Snicole, as your posts persuaded me to book and I thought this was fantastic, whereas I hadn't been considering seeing it until early reports started appearing. I was riveted and though it was sentimental and cliched, the human interest hooked me as not only is it a compelling narrative but told through believable and sympathetic characters, with no heroes or villains - with the possible exception of the unseen dictator. I didn't see or hear anyone crying and can't see any reason for a reaction that strong; what I did notice was the positive response at the end, so I hope this translates into good reviews and sales.
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Post by bellboard27 on Mar 18, 2018 12:21:08 GMT
I found this interesting, but not as interesting as I was hoping for, but happy I went. The acting was variable in quality. I also felt there were some lost opportunities to explore North Korean and Japanese culture further.
The stage looked quite high. I was in the circle, but I wonder what view from the front row of the stalls is like. There are lighting effects that are projected onto the stage floor (which would not be visible from at least the front rows of the stalls), but these are not important as the lighting effects occur on the rest of the set.
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Post by jamb0r on Mar 18, 2018 22:12:01 GMT
I wish they had used a real lantern though Not one with an electric light and a balloon inside it You mean a real PAPER lantern with a FLAME in it? Sent floating up into the lighting rig? It really isn't difficult to see why they couldn't do that.
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Post by showgirl on Mar 19, 2018 4:36:01 GMT
The stage looked quite high. I was in the circle, but I wonder what view from the front row of the stalls is like. There are lighting effects that are projected onto the stage floor (which would not be visible from at least the front rows of the stalls), but these are not important as the lighting effects occur on the rest of the set. I think the NT has the pricing wrong for this but other than tweaking the cost of a few of the seats below top price, I don't know what they can afford to do and/or which wouldn't upset those who had already booked at top price. The reason I say this is that as others have noted, the stage is very high, meaning that those in the front stalls are below stage level and you'd have to be quite a way back to have a clear view. On the other hand, those in the side stalls seats (rows L and M), as I was, have a good view, at the right height, albeit sideways on. I was far happier with my (cheaper) seat there than I would have been in the front stalls - though I know people who have sat there have said it's OK. However, something for people to bear in mind if they haven't yet booked but are considering doing so.
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Post by jamb0r on Mar 19, 2018 8:05:47 GMT
I sat in the middle of the front row of the stalls. Yes the stage is high, but I wouldn’t say the view was restricted - I could still see everything just fine (apart from the lighting on the floor). I think it was well worth the £20 I paid in the Friday rush (the whole front row was reserved for Friday rush when I got my ticket).
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Post by turbo25 on Mar 19, 2018 11:13:53 GMT
The stage is certainly high, but I felt that my £20 seat in the front row was priced about right.
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Post by showgirl on Mar 19, 2018 14:16:44 GMT
£20 is great for the stalls but is that not the Friday Rush price? If not, and they are all £20, so much the better but it'd be unusual for any stalls seat to be that cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 15:00:51 GMT
I've got a £20 front row seat for this week, which I believe was a leftover Friday rush ticket. I'd been holding off on booking 'cos I could only find restricted view seats or £40 stalls seats and I wasn't into either of those.
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Post by dani on Mar 20, 2018 14:14:15 GMT
There seems to be a lot of critical love for this. The only mildly dissenting voices appear to be Time Out (Lukowski) and ES (Hitchings).
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Post by theatre-turtle on Mar 20, 2018 16:25:44 GMT
I’m glad the reviews for this are good - it’s the kind of thing the National is perfect for and I’m always glad when they give a voice to quality new work and upcoming writers.
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Post by zahidf on Mar 21, 2018 20:49:03 GMT
Saw this last night. Was really good and moving by the end. Great acting and plot
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Post by Mark on Mar 21, 2018 21:24:09 GMT
Went this afternoon. The stage is high - above head height for 5ft 10, but the view is fine in the centre, particularly. First half felt shallow, but the second really paid off. Felt the North Koreans were slightly stereotyped, and I did like the British Standard sticker on the TV set, but it was an interesting watch and I did invest in the characters and outcome by the end. More rambling on my site if anyone cares. Aah I was there too! Really enjoyable and worth a watch. I was in one of the “flip” seats for £15, bargain.
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Post by duncan on Mar 21, 2018 23:58:47 GMT
Me 3, lovely play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 11:57:56 GMT
I must say I'm deeply offended not to have got the memo about the group outing, I was there yesterday too but evening rather than matinee. As a not particularly tall lady, I'd just like to confirm that the stage wasn't problematically tall. You'd occasionally lose an actor to crouching or lying down but that wasn't a major issue for me. I agree that it started off messy but really tightened up as the evening progressed, and I will admit to some hearty weeping when it came to one particular scene near the end.
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Post by bramble on Mar 22, 2018 18:20:37 GMT
A really worthwhile play Very exciting and very moving.
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Post by duncan on Mar 23, 2018 15:37:01 GMT
7 - The Great Wave - National Theatre - Dorfman - March 21stHanako is lost to the sea on a stormy night but her mother and sister refuse to believe she is dead. And indeed she isnt, she has been kidnapped by North Korea to become a teacher. Over the course of 24 years whilst one family falters with their loss another develops via that loss but in the end decisions will have to be made around love and loss. A bizarre sounding plot but based on actual events of North Korea kidnapping Japanese people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_abductions_of_Japanese_citizensGripping! Powerful! Emotional! An intriguing look at love, loss, devotion, sacrifice and survival. A revolving set allows us to see both sides of the story, a cheap way to compare and contrast the emotions and actions of both sides however it works really well. Whilst Hanako is indoctrinated into the world of North Korea we revolve the stage to see her sister being indoctrinated into a obsessive quest to find her missing sibling. Whilst we see Hanako being introduced to the man that the government has decreed she must marry we revolve to see Reiko losing her chance of happiness owing to her obsessiveness and its the obsessiveness that drives the play - the obsession of finding your missing daughter/sister and the obsession of doing what is best for the glorious leader. Coupled with some subtle lighting, Japan is orange and warm whilst North Korea is white and stark, the sparse set allows the characters to take centre stage. Hanako and Reiko being our eyes and ears into two vastly different cultures, Rosalind Chao takes centre stage for the first half hour or so as the girls mother but then over time moves into the background as the girls grow up and take more and more of the plot. The whole cast are on top form. I think the end is a bit contrived but the 100 or so minutes before hand are engrossing as we become embroiled in hoping Hanako and Reiko can survive their travails. 8/10
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Post by theatrelover123 on Mar 23, 2018 16:11:57 GMT
I really want to see this and its likely I will get a Friday Rush front row ticket. Before I do I just want to double check just how tall the stage is. I know a few people have given their opinions on here. I am just under 6 foot but get quite uncomfortable if I have to look up too much/too steeply. Is it worse than say the cheaper seats at the front of the Olivier or Lyttleton? Is it bearable for 2 x one hour blocks?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 17:27:47 GMT
It is worse than the Lyttelton or Olivier, but it's totally bearable. And I'm several inches shorter than you are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 19:30:27 GMT
Sitting there RIGHT NOW - I would say stage is about 4 feet off the ground, platform in the middle of stage about another foot
For me stage is about head height while I’m sitting down
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