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Post by Rory on Jul 31, 2017 22:55:17 GMT
I could be wrong but I think The Hard Problem is the only show which NT Live has broadcast from the Cottesloe / Dorfman, which is a shame as I think much of the most interesting stuff is on there. Maybe they feel the intimate scale of much of the work wouldn't translate well to the screen. I too would love to see this added to the line-up.
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Post by jadnoop on Jul 31, 2017 23:07:11 GMT
I could be wrong but I think The Hard Problem is the only show which NT Live has broadcast from the Cottesloe / Dorfman, which is a shame as I think much of the most interesting stuff is on there. Maybe they feel the intimate scale of much of the work wouldn't translate well to the screen. I too would love to see this added to the line-up. IIRC Annie Barker's The Flick was at the Dorfman, and definitely would have been interesting to see in a cinema.
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Post by crowblack on Jul 31, 2017 23:17:34 GMT
Given Colman's status as National Treasure, maybe a TV adaptation like London Road or Charles III?
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Post by floorshow on Aug 1, 2017 6:14:53 GMT
I agree that there's too much going on, but there was so much in there that I liked and found interesting and enjoyable that it outweighed the parts I didn't. Dramatically, it's chaotic - maybe that's the idea, non-linear to reflect the subject matter, things pinging off in all directions, but it does mean there's too much in there for one play in one sitting, and some parts threaten to overwhelm others. Apparently she was writing it over many years and it really does feel as though she's had so many ideas she doesn't know what to jettison: another factor maybe the expense. The bits I thought could be cut are probably some of the most expensive to stage. I wasn't convinced by either the old mother's character or the boyfriend, and he and his entomologist subplot felt unnecessary, as did the TV launch and the spanking scene - wtf? - whilst the Life of Galileo/Escaped Alone cosmic bits could have been edited back ("but they took ages to design and cost a bomb!" I can imagine someone saying).
Mulling it over and flipping back through the text, though, what I really love was the characterisation of Jenny, Alice and Luke, the way they repel and then come together, the way the clash of sense and sensibility, science and instinct interweave, the cosmic, slightly Hamlety or Kubrick's 2001 bits with the ghostly father and the creation and falling apart of worlds - Personal or universal - and those wonderfully awkward, embarrassing scenes, sex with mobiles, Jenny saving Luke in its aftermath (two of my favourite actors, Colman and Quinn, in that one, so an absolute joy!). Having had a week to digest it, I think you've summed up exactly how I feel about it. If it wasn't such a short run I'd probably be tempted to see it again, there is so much to enjoy despite the occasional excess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 9:59:11 GMT
I could be wrong but I think The Hard Problem is the only show which NT Live has broadcast from the Cottesloe / Dorfman, which is a shame as I think much of the most interesting stuff is on there. Maybe they feel the intimate scale of much of the work wouldn't translate well to the screen. I too would love to see this added to the line-up. IIRC Annie Barker's The Flick was at the Dorfman, and definitely would have been interesting to see in a cinema. People in a cinema watching people cleaning an empty cinema! In a way I think its hyper naturalism and extended silences might have made it more of a difficult watch on screen, though, where we are conditioned to expect more action and changing visuals.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 1, 2017 10:12:53 GMT
I think Mosquitoes would transfer very well to screen, though - Colman, Williams and Quinn are all excellent screen/tv actors too. What's more, you feel at somewhere like the National that almost everyone watching it is in the upper-middle-class Alice character bracket and it'd be interesting to see how it played to an audience who are more socially mixed and share some of Colman's character's views.
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Post by michalnowicki on Aug 1, 2017 20:04:41 GMT
The play text was finally delivered by Amazon today. Will give it a read as I'm refreshing NT site for tickets on 26th September.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 15:52:06 GMT
Have annoyingly just had to return a single ticket for this for tomorrow night. £29.
I imagine it should go online for resale pretty soon for those keen to snap it up...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 16:01:42 GMT
Have annoyingly just had to return a single ticket for this for tomorrow night. £29. I imagine it should go online for resale pretty soon for those keen to snap it up... Already gone. Hope someone here managed to nab it.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 2, 2017 17:12:57 GMT
Have annoyingly just had to return a single ticket I've managed to get another one for September - I want to see it again now I've read the text - but noticed, with the Firefox Update scanner binging when the dates listings web page was updated, that quite a few tickets - some very good pit seats - popped up for the evening / next day performances, particularly around lunchtime. Ones further ahead are rare and go fast.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 2, 2017 17:14:41 GMT
Couple just up now for September
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Post by michalnowicki on Aug 3, 2017 15:23:24 GMT
How strange... For a very short time loads of dates were showing available tickets for £7.5.... I think this must've been a glitch on the website...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:54:03 GMT
How strange... For a very short time loads of dates were showing available tickets for £7.5.... I think this must've been a glitch on the website... There are plenty of £7.50 Entry Pass (NT's 16-25 ticket scheme) tickets available. Maybe they accidentally got released to the general public for a short period?
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Post by michalnowicki on Aug 3, 2017 15:58:05 GMT
How strange... For a very short time loads of dates were showing available tickets for £7.5.... I think this must've been a glitch on the website... There are plenty of £7.50 Entry Pass (NT's 16-25 ticket scheme) tickets available. Maybe they accidentally got released to the general public for a short period? That would make so much sense, thanks for letting me know. Oh, to be young again...
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Post by jgblunners on Aug 4, 2017 12:20:19 GMT
Last night was my first trip to the Dorfman (never went when it was the Cottesloe either) and it did not disappoint. This play is excellent. I've never seen any of Kirkwood's work before, but her writing was impeccable. The family drama aspects of the play are grounded and touching - never melodramatic or straying into soap opera territory. For someone who calls himself a scientist, the accompanying commentary on communication and scientific endeavours was eye-opening and made me examine my own attitudes towards such things. The articles in the programme are also very well written - I know a lot of scientists who need to be reminded of the themes they discuss.
Now, I don't study particle physics but I take an interest in it and have followed the studies that are being performed at CERN (I remember listening on the radio the day they turned the LHC on), so I was already familiar with almost all of the science that was mentioned in the play. I found that the interludes delivered by 'The Boson' were odd at first, but once I saw the parallels that Kirkwood was trying to make I actually thought they were quite clever. However, I would be interested to know how easy it is to understand for someone who isn't familiar with the science - the explanations seemed to be pitched at the right level, but it's always easy to say that when you've heard it all before. Given that one of the statements that Kirkwood is trying to make is about accessibility and communication of scientific information, I'd like to know if she's managed to achieve an appropriate level of communication in her own writing.
I don't think anyone will be surprised to hear me say that Olivia Colman is amazing. She deserves every ounce of praise that is sent her way, because her performance here is remarkable. Both Olivia Williams and Amanda Boxer also give fantastic performances with their characters who are imperfect in a very different way to Colman's, but to take a troubled character like that and make her so real and believable is very impressive. It reminds me of Denise Gough's performance in Angels.
Kudos to Rufus Norris for doing a production in the round so effectively - too often I've seen blocking that just looks unnatural, but here Norris has made every scene flow smoothly and naturally so that it can play to every side of the auditorium. I also disagree with those who were calling for the play to be cut down - 2hrs 50mins flew by for me, and I loved every word of it. I'm feeling very lucky right now that I've had the privilege of seeing both this and Angels - I feel like I should raise a glass to whoever started the Entry Pass scheme.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Aug 4, 2017 13:11:51 GMT
Last night was my first trip to the Dorfman (never went when it was the Cottesloe either) and it did not disappoint. This play is excellent. I've never seen any of Kirkwood's work before, but her writing was impeccable. The family drama aspects of the play are grounded and touching - never melodramatic or straying into soap opera territory. For someone who calls himself a scientist, the accompanying commentary on communication and scientific endeavours was eye-opening and made me examine my own attitudes towards such things. The articles in the programme are also very well written - I know a lot of scientists who need to be reminded of the themes they discuss. Now, I don't study particle physics but I take an interest in it and have followed the studies that are being performed at CERN (I remember listening on the radio the day they turned the LHC on), so I was already familiar with almost all of the science that was mentioned in the play. I found that the interludes delivered by 'The Boson' were odd at first, but once I saw the parallels that Kirkwood was trying to make I actually thought they were quite clever. However, I would be interested to know how easy it is to understand for someone who isn't familiar with the science - the explanations seemed to be pitched at the right level, but it's always easy to say that when you've heard it all before. Given that one of the statements that Kirkwood is trying to make is about accessibility and communication of scientific information, I'd like to know if she's managed to achieve an appropriate level of communication in her own writing. I don't think anyone will be surprised to hear me say that Olivia Colman is amazing. She deserves every ounce of praise that is sent her way, because her performance here is remarkable. Both Olivia Williams and Amanda Boxer also give fantastic performances with their characters who are imperfect in a very different way to Colman's, but to take a troubled character like that and make her so real and believable is very impressive. It reminds me of Denise Gough's performance in Angels. Kudos to Rufus Norris for doing a production in the round so effectively - too often I've seen blocking that just looks unnatural, but here Norris has made every scene flow smoothly and naturally so that it can play to every side of the auditorium. I also disagree with those who were calling for the play to be cut down - 2hrs 50mins flew by for me, and I loved every word of it. I'm feeling very lucky right now that I've had the privilege of seeing both this and Angels - I feel like I should raise a glass to whoever started the Entry Pass scheme.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Aug 4, 2017 13:13:47 GMT
This is why I love theatre and personal opinions/ reactions to theatre because I could not disagree more with any of what has been said above
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Post by jgblunners on Aug 4, 2017 13:35:51 GMT
This is why I love theatre and personal opinions/ reactions to theatre because I could not disagree more with any of what has been said above It's been very interesting reading back through the thread and seeing just how much I appear to be in the minority! I totally see where all the criticisms are coming from, but I found that the writing just resonated with me. As you say, it's all about personal reactions.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 4, 2017 13:46:31 GMT
I'd like to know if she's managed to achieve an appropriate level of communication in her own writing. I'm not sure - I enjoyed the play and hope to see it again, having read the text, but in performance I would have liked more time to digest the emotionally heavy domestic scenes before the barrage of the cosmic bits. I've seen Escaped Alone and Life of Galileo this year, both of which had similar scenes, and saw the play in preview deliberately not wanting to know too much about it - I like to see if a play can stand on its own two feet without backup. My general feeling was that I liked the Boson parts - though they got a bit long-winded - but was less keen on the TV launch (the Kay Burleyesque reporter was a bit cliche'd) and other digressions: I thought the old mother's Nobel prize/womanising husband backstory was another distracting complication to an already very busy plot, and wasn't convinced by the surprisingly uptight Quaker entomologist boyfriend cafe scene lobbing yet more themes into the mix (aren't Quakers supposed to be more mellow and empathetic?). I wonder if my approach would have differed had I not seen Escaped Alone and Galileo this year: I enjoyed the play, but the people I saw it with thought it was a mess.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 4, 2017 13:51:03 GMT
So it wasn't about the content of the 'science bits', but their placing in the play - I think I would have liked a bit more time for the domestic scenes to breathe.
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Post by theatrelover123 on Aug 4, 2017 16:13:25 GMT
In my opinion (and I have many about this production) the script and writing was by far the weakest link. I would have maybe liked it more if it felt like the author (whose previous plays I liked lots) had not written a bog standard and fairly unbelievable family drama, thought it wasn't exciting or different enough and crow-barred science elements into it and tried to make innocuous parallels between the two. I don't think I would have preferred either as a full play but I certainly didn't like the amateurish mess (that felt like it was written by a brattish teenager who had big ideas about the world and our place in it) that was presented on that stage.
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Post by bramble on Aug 6, 2017 17:03:28 GMT
Excellent performances in a great play, expertly staged.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 8:30:24 GMT
Well. I really had no clue what was really going on with all the sciencey bits to be perfectly frank although the staging was rather fancy what with the giant doughnut flying about all over the place and the lights and such. It was a little bit like when you're with someone who is proudly pointing out all the names and shapes of the constellations and try as you might you just can't see it so you just fake it, "Ooooh yes, how marvellous. Yes, it looks exactly like a plough. Almost as though there should be a horse in front of it". It seems to keep them happy.
Apart from those bits, there's a lot going on. Probably a bit too much really. It's like 6 weeks of Emmerdale all squeezed into 3 hours but it all zips by nicely. The cast are great on the whole, Joseph Quinn in particular is very good and although at first he seems a bit too old to be the teenager you forget it pretty quickly. I wasn't convinced by Amanda Boxer as the doddery old lady to be honest. Despite telling us how many degrees she had I didn't quite believe that she was the second Marie Curie.
But oh, Dame Olivia Colman. She is incandescent. She makes the ordinary extraordinary and she waltzes off with this with absolute ease. An Olivier for Olivia please. She's so natural and the way in which she can just cry like that is heartbreaking. She needs to be my best friend.
Oh and the line, "I'm not asking you out. I'm not Barbara Windsor" made me laugh for ages.
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Post by crowblack on Aug 7, 2017 11:59:40 GMT
Joseph Quinn in particular is very good and although at first he seems a bit too old to be the teenager you forget it pretty quickly. I wasn't convinced by Amanda Boxer as the doddery old lady to be honest. Joseph Quinn and his Wish List 'sibling' Erin Doherty are the best young actors I've seen recently and both a joy to watch. If you haven't seen his bloody-hell-is-this-really-his-debut? in Dickensian, it's well worth checking out - he's also in today's episode of Game of Thrones (don't eat the liver at Winterfell!). Colman is so perfect, and the lines so suited to her delivery, I wonder how it'd play with another actress in the part in a future revival, or might it be like Jerusalem, where the actor and part are one? Yes, I wasn't convinced by the cartoonish mother or Alice's boyfriend - her missed Nobel prize, womanising husband and his Quakerism, entomology (in there to justify the play's title?) and complaints about hospital bills for a suicide attempt (not very Christian!) were an unnecessary complication to an already overloaded plot - I think their scenes really need scissors taking to them. I'm hoping to see it again towards the end of the run and it'll be interesting to see if it's been restructured.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Aug 8, 2017 14:24:09 GMT
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