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Post by showgirl on Apr 6, 2017 5:24:54 GMT
Following a brief discussion on another thread (about an individual play, and where I contributed to the off-topic part), I've started this one as there's evidently some interest in how members feel at particular venues and why.
I've said I'm not keen on those where the only place to wait before the performance is a dark, noisy bar with no seating; however, that merely irritates me and doesn't stop me attending - I just brace myself rather than looking forward to my visit. (For example, Soho Theatre and the Young Vic) There are conversely many venues I really enjoy visiting and which I'd attend more frequently if more of the programming appealed to me. (For instance the Yvonne Arnaud, Guildford, Hampstead Theatre and the Orange Tree, Richmond.
For me it's also partly to do with the auditorium itself: I particularly like the configuration of the space (or main one) at Hampstead and Richmond; I love the Olivier at the NT and Salisbury Playhouse for the same reason, though I don't visit either very often.
What I haven't felt is intimidated by the type of audience I perceive is the core one at any theatre, though others have mentioned this.
So, which venues do or don't make you feel welcome and why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 8:25:02 GMT
I've never felt welcome in the Sherman in Cardiff (even after working there, or perhaps because of it haha) When I was growing up it was a place that wasn't for the likes of me and that idea has carried over somewhat. But it's also populated largely but very middle class types and fairly snotty theatrical types and despite a lot of friends working there I still don't 'enjoy' it there.
London venues, I feel very welcome in the NT and can happily mooch in their foyers for hours. West End theatres I don't give much thought to- it's very much a more 'customer' experience of in and out for the show.
I do loathe the Globe, as it's full (in my experience) of people who are there to prove how much of a Globe 'fan' they are to the point of being rude to others, trying to sabotage them if queuing and generally being vile individuals. It's a shame because the staff/volunteers have been generally lovely, and I appreciate their work but, I really don't feel welcome there to the point I've vowed never to see anything there again. I will however make use of their toilets.
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Post by showgirl on Apr 6, 2017 8:48:24 GMT
Do agree re the NT foyers, emicardiff, though I think for me it's more a case of being free to do my own thing (use wifi/eat my own food/use one of their cafes) rather than any active sense of welcome or engagement with staff on most occasions.
Shocking that even working at a theatre still didn't improved your perception, merely change it.
Another aspect of visiting some of my favourite theatres is getting to know, and enjoy seeing again, the ushers; sometimes the paid staff but usually voluntary regulars. On every occasion that I've visited the Yvonne Arnaud for years, I've seen the same lady usher on a particular door for the Thursday matinee; goodness knows whether she ever goes away or has a break but I look forward to a brief chat if there's a suitable moment. It used to be the same at the Orange Tree but seems to have changed since the AD did.
Another key issue for me is whether there is reserved or unreserved seating: I LOATHE the latter and the expense of time queueing; thank goodness the Orange Tree and Southwark Playhouse (main space) switched to reserved seating. In some cases though I do wonder whether the change was for the benefit of the staff or audience!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 8:58:15 GMT
I always find the Almeida a desperately awful place to visit. The space is horrid, they have the worst FOH staff I've ever come across and the patrons are just hideous on the whole.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 9:00:14 GMT
I always find the Almeida a desperately awful place to visit. The space is horrid, they have the worst FOH staff I've ever come across and the patrons are just hideous on the whole. Can't comment on the staff but on my first visit last week I loitered on the pavement for half an hour outside because the inside space is horrid and fills up so quickly. Thank God for a nice day...
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Post by wiggymess on Apr 6, 2017 9:44:50 GMT
I'm a theatre newbie of only really the past 18 months / 2 years or so, so I very much feel like 'I shouldn't be there' when I'm in most theatres, but admittedly it adds to the excitement for me. Never been to The Old Vic before and I'm sort of dreading my first visit when I see Woyzeck, but also very excited, feel like a naughty child.
It also kind of helps when there are awful people about, as I don't feel like it's my space to feel over protective about.
Always felt relaxed at the Royal Court though, probably largely because they seem to put on a LOT of things that appeal directly to me. Although I have come across some right *#@+$ in the queue for upstairs...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:01:45 GMT
I've never felt welcome in the Sherman in Cardiff Other theatres are more relaxed about it in the sense of 'if nobody's sitting in it once the show has started someone may as well' certainly at the Sherman we preferred to move people closer should they want to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:02:42 GMT
Oooh, don't get me started!
The Chocolate Factory. Before you even get into the performance space and seating which is designed to test the moral fibre of the most ascetic monk you have to pass through the 'lobby' which appears to be modelled on a fading country and western bar from Nowheresville, Kentucky. Then you stroll through a black curtained area which is reminiscent of those entrances to the back of sex shops where the good stuff is kept. ( I go purely on what I've been told, obviously). The front of house staff are quite unpleasant having been very rude about disabled tickets once and having a habit of chucking your tickets at you when you collect them as if somehow you have infringed upon their lives by asking for them. I expect sometimes they actually take a run at it so that the effect is increasd. I refuse to go there for the most part but did return over Christmas at a friend's insistence for She Loves Me. Nothing had changed
I shall rest before I start on the joys of Found 111
Am surprised at comments re Almeida, I love it there, think it gives a real buzz and I'm not a fan of crowds usually plus I have found the FOH staff lovely. They deserved awards for their patience and tolerance with the whole Mary Stuart cancellations in December, they were excellent
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:03:26 GMT
I've never felt welcome in the Sherman in Cardiff Other theatres are more relaxed about it in the sense of 'if nobody's sitting in it once the show has started someone may as well' certainly at the Sherman we preferred to move people closer should they want to. What's your point?
As an usher I was told we could move people as they wished, doesn't mean I feel welcome in the theatre. The two are unrelated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:17:25 GMT
Am surprised at comments re Almeida, I love it there, think it gives a real buzz and I'm not a fan of crowds usually plus I have found the FOH staff lovely. The deseved awards for their patience and tolerance withe whole Mary Stuart cancellations in December, they were excellent Oh the couple of staff I talked to were lovely! (especially the usher while I was waiting for a late friend) but I just didn't warm to the building itself.
Don't get me started on the fresh hell that was Found 111 either...
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Post by stefy69 on Apr 6, 2017 10:20:38 GMT
Am surprised at comments re Almeida, I love it there, think it gives a real buzz and I'm not a fan of crowds usually plus I have found the FOH staff lovely. The deseved awards for their patience and tolerance withe whole Mary Stuart cancellations in December, they were excellent Oh the couple of staff I talked to were lovely! (especially the usher while I was waiting for a late friend) but I just didn't warm to the building itself.
Don't get me started on the fresh hell that was Found 111 either...
...or the awful Kings Cross Theatre where I saw Lazarus ( well not in person but you know what I mean.... )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:24:09 GMT
Found 111 needs a thread all to itself. Thank the Lord Harry it was only a temporary space.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 6, 2017 10:42:18 GMT
The Manchester Royal Exchange is my absolute favourite - a lovely space and so friendly. Back when I was a kid - when the North was rather bleak, see Smiths songs for details - they started putting on the after-show talks and events which I'd go to and the directors and actors would take the time to chat afterwards, too, and still do! Their studio theatre has a separate bar as its waiting room and it was interesting to compare the experience of waiting there and at the Royal Court for the same play recently (Wish List), both on first preview nights, both first come first served seating - the Royal Exchange lot were noisy, relaxed and chatty, the Royal Court queue quiet and - as seems to be the case generally in London - staring intently at iphones/tablets. The Jerwood Upstairs atmos felt more tense than the RE Studio, too - I presume the Royal Court audiences are largely made up of theatre/media professionals and there's a lot more riding on it than when a play opens in 'the provinces'.
I've only got back into theatregoing recently so I don't have much to go on - the Printroom at the Coronet bar was lovely, though - I could live in it - and the staff friendly. Notting Hill itself seems to have become bit of a desert, though, too much money, not enough people, just megabasements being dug for absentee owners.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:46:23 GMT
I've never seen a show at the Exchange but I was frequently in Manchester for work a couple of years back and I popped in a few times for a coffee, lovely space to hang around in for a quiet break, and the staff were lovely.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:50:32 GMT
Interesting thread!
I quite like the bar at Soho Theatre - certainly before matinees its a good place for a coffee with no problems getting a seat. Agree the Young Vic can get very busy, particularly with the large number of seats reserved for diners. And I'm another who ends up lurking outside the Almeida on most of my visits.
I sympathise with the need of many venues to "monetise" their space for the whole day. Problem I have is when they don't really have the space to do this without impacting the theatre audience. Worst offender is the Old Vic who have tried to turn the tiny downstairs bar into a "destination" venue for food and drinks, so it's always packed and the queue for the loos is worse than ever!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:52:06 GMT
I haven't peed downstairs at the Old Vic for literally years now. Even if I'm sitting in the stalls, I'd rather head all the way to the top floor where even if there's a queue at least there's room for it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 10:56:32 GMT
I have seen people with stalls tickets being refused access to the upstairs areas by the Old Vic's overly officious ushers!
I always find it incredible that the Old Vic has to have an usher stationed downstairs to manage the queue for the ladies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 11:00:21 GMT
Home in Manchester has a great ambiance, the Barbican main space always feels like an airport departure lounge to me, though. For the Edinburgh Fringe I love the Summerhall courtyard, a great place to get a drink and meet up.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Apr 6, 2017 11:45:18 GMT
The bunker that is the Barbican 'wins' hands down for me. Last night at the NT i found several members of staff who couldn't be bothered to speak and acknowledge me
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 11:51:20 GMT
Oh yes, agree about the Barbican. The worst thing about that is when you come out after a show and all the bars are closed with shutters to make perfectly clear they want you to f*ck off immediately. The members' bar there is not too bad (again, not open post-show I think).
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Post by crowblack on Apr 6, 2017 12:10:25 GMT
When I asked FOH staff at Shoreditch Town Hall were we should start to lurk for unallocated seating at a show recently they directed me to the far end of the hallway, along with, evidently, some other early arrivals. When the doors did finally open, they were at the other end of the hall, near the entrance doors and opposite their desk, as they must have known. Pissed me off mightily and for the first time ever I thought sod politeness and barged through to get a decent seat because I'd travelled several hundred miles since 6am and been waiting there a sodding hour. Horrible part of London, too. They do have an impressive number of bogs, though.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Apr 6, 2017 12:36:18 GMT
I love the NT, the Court and the Bush. Proper friendly hang out spots. The Donmar feels welcoming albeit not a good place to hang out or do anything but watch the play and leave due to lack of space.
YV and OV should be good places but feel unwelcoming and inconvenient.
Hate hate hate Found 111 and that stupid Kings Cross Theatre. Impossible if you are disabled.
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Post by mallardo on Apr 6, 2017 12:46:01 GMT
Found 111 is no more - at least not at that space.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 12:49:33 GMT
Anyone else remember when you had to sign your name and print your address in a register as you entered the auditorium at the Drill Hall because it was licensed as a private club for members only? I panicked and gave a false address.
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Post by anita on Apr 6, 2017 13:03:32 GMT
I've met some lovely ushers especially at Theatre Royal Drury Lane over the years. Very interesting to chat to when you are early for the show.
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