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Post by mrcurry on Feb 6, 2017 23:57:27 GMT
I have recently bought tickets to Hamilton 16 months in advance, £90 a ticket. On browsing a twitter feed of an actor in the show. It reveals part of the plot of the play, and what happens to one of the characters
I am gobsmacked and cannot believe this. This has partly spoilt the experience I am due to have watching the musical for the first time. I am slightly appalled.
What do you think and what is your attitude to spoilers ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 0:20:06 GMT
Is it a real-life character or a fictional one? (I'm not overly familiar with the story so don't know if they've mixed historical figures with made-up ones, sorry.) If it's a historical figure, I guess in this instance you could argue their fate has long been in the public domain...?
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Post by mrcurry on Feb 7, 2017 0:30:48 GMT
Is it a real-life character or a fictional one? (I'm not overly familiar with the story so don't know if they've mixed historical figures with made-up ones, sorry.) If it's a historical figure, I guess in this instance you could argue their fate has long been in the public domain...? I did not want to reveal the characters fate. But it is the same fate that awaits all of us, and all the characters in the show are historical figures. The character dies. The plot may be in the public domain in America, but almost no-one in the Uk knows about the historical figures who started the American revolution.
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Post by d'James on Feb 7, 2017 0:43:54 GMT
It's difficult. Oddly when it comes to TV shows I like spoilers but with Theatre shows I like to know nothing beforehand. That way I get to really feel it. The last time that happened was the first time I saw In The Heights. No idea at all what the music was like or anything and it was the best surprise. Even having a vague idea what's going to happen spoils it for me. That's why I don't listen to soundtracks ( ) before seeing a show. Obviously with historical shows it's more difficult to be unaware of the plot. I mean really, I wish that every show had a separate spoiler thread on this board, like Harry Potter but I realise it wouldn't really be feasible. Sometimes people talk about the plots of certain shows and spoil it. Of course there's an argument that once it's out there, spoilers are inevitable but I don't really agree unless it's the telly. Not everyone can see things as soon as they come out.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 7, 2017 0:44:15 GMT
I can't believe history classes spread spoilers
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Post by Coated on Feb 7, 2017 0:59:57 GMT
Not bothered by spoilers at all. Would happily read a synopsis of a play before watching it for the first time.
Not so keen on knowing about clever effects or staging choices, it's nice to get the odd surprise.
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Post by mmmbop on Feb 7, 2017 1:09:52 GMT
It sounds like you were unfortunate, but if you knowing plot details beforehand bothers you personally this much then I am confused as to why you were running the risk of browsing the actors' twitter feeds. It makes sense that those involved might discuss their work, and particularly given that it is based on real history that this sort of information would not necessarily be treated like a secret. While of course it will be somewhat less in the UK than in the US, the assumption would be going in that a lot of the audience knows the basic story, and the element of surprise on that front is not necessary to enjoy Hamilton - it's not really a set up as a "twist".
I also enjoy knowing as little as possible going in to new shows if I can (In the Heights is also a good example for me of a show it was great knowing nothing about, also Dear Evan Hansen), but it doesn't ruin it for me to know the plot beforehand either as there are generally plenty of other aspects worth enjoying. After all, shows based on well known films continue to be popular.
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Post by infofreako on Feb 7, 2017 1:24:19 GMT
Hamilton is a tricky one with this subject. When I saw it on Broadway I had already listened to the cast recording for months. It really helped me to process what was taking place on the stage in front of me and it is all historical information anyway so in this case it is freely available. Usually with a show though I would agree that I dont want spoilers before seeing it for the first time
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Post by 49thand8th on Feb 7, 2017 3:10:27 GMT
I can't believe history classes spread spoilers A+
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Post by Michael on Feb 7, 2017 5:40:53 GMT
hat's why I don't listen to soundtracks ( ) before seeing a show. Careful - you're playing with fire Not bothered by spoilers at all. Would happily read a synopsis of a play before watching it for the first time. This. That's also one of my standard arguments when someone talks during the show when they don't know what's going on (e.g children, tourists) - you should have read the synopsis on e.g. Wikipedia before going rather that talk during the show.
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Post by viserys on Feb 7, 2017 6:13:53 GMT
I sometimes take my Mom with me to shows in London but her English isn't that good. So I try to pick shows that are based on movies, so she can watch the movie beforehand to know what's going on, or shows with a very simple storyline. I would not want her to start whispering to me during the show and ask what's going on and thus disturb those around me.
For me it's a no brainer. I don't hear well, I much prefer to "prepare" by going in knowing as much as I can about the plot and songs because I'm not sure I could follow otherwise. "Half a Sixpence" caught me unawares in November as I had planned to see it at a later stage. So, it was quite fun to not know the outcome, but on the other hand simple "romantic plot" logic dictated how it would end. When I saw Hamilton on Broadway it was before the cast recording was even out. So I read the whole huge Chernow biography in order to know a bit about the guy. Still the show and its dense lyrics overwhelmed me. I am really looking forward to see it again in London now while knowing most of the lyrics. For Harry Potter one board member here kindly shared a very long synopsis with me privately, so I knew what was going on when I saw a preview. Would it have been more fun to go in spoiler-free? Certainly. But some things can't be helped.
It's different with TV, but that's also easier, if you watch something while it's fairly new, it's easy to avoid reading reviews, recaps, etc for some weeks. If I now caught a spoiler about a show that ran ten years ago, it's my own fault for not watching earlier.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 6:17:46 GMT
I think people are too sensitive about spoilers sometimes. I know of someone who treats the title of an episode of a show as a spoiler. But a spoiler isn't any information about what happens. It's specifically information that the writers make an effort to keep hidden until a specific reveal point because guiding the audience's expectation is important to their enjoyment of the story.
Personally it doesn't bother me much. When I saw Star Wars The Force Awakens I already knew what happens from having to moderate the discussion here and I enjoyed it all the same. I might even have enjoyed it more than otherwise, because I had the anticipation of knowing what was coming. On the other hand, I enjoyed Frozen more for not knowing the nature of the act of love that would save Anna. But generally it's not a big issue for me. After all, the stories I really like I enjoy multiple times and it's kind of difficult to avoid knowing spoilers the second time around.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 7:21:40 GMT
As I said on the Hamilton thread - welcome to the internet. If you really and truly want to avoid spoilers, then it's basic common sense to avoid things like twitter feeds related to the show, so I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for you there.
And especially not for Hamilton - it's based on historical events which everyone either knows or can easily find out about, so I don't think there is any such thing as a spoiler in that context unless the show deviates entirely from history (I haven't seen it and haven't read the plot so I don't know).
I follow most of the Hamilton OBC on twitter, and some of the new London cast, and have yet to be spoiled. I don't really care anyway, the plot never makes a show for me, it's the music that does that and so far I've only heard about 3 songs from the show so consider myself fairly unspoiled going into it. Half the time I've heard the whole show and it still doesn't detract from my enjoyment of it.
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Post by freckles on Feb 7, 2017 8:13:53 GMT
They don't usually bother me, but if I did want to watch something spoiler-free, I would avoid twitter and online forums beforehand, fully expecting such sources to give information on the show in question.
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Post by Stasia on Feb 7, 2017 8:20:01 GMT
For me the idea of "I am avoiding spoilers" and "I am browsing the actors' twitters" sounds like "he ran into my knife 10 times". You had it coming, dear mrcurry! Also I am not ok with the idea that "almost no one in the UK" knows things that are taught at school, I might suggest. For me spoilers with historical/famous storylines are mostly "how it's done" not "what will happen". For example, the review that described in details that Open Air Theatre's Peter Pan had the WW1 settings and the way the boys are flying to the Netherland aka battlefield in the end was a spoiler. Of course I knew the plot! I just wanted to see for myself how the director will show that. Also I noticed that lots of UK journalists and bloggers have the skill of describing a character and not the plotline (further than first few minutes), compared to many Russian ones who just do stupid retellings of the plot. You know nothing of spoilers if you are not reading these!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 8:41:42 GMT
haha I really laughed at that Stasia ! But yes, for me it's more about how it's done than what is done. So with Hamilton, I don't think it's really valid to complain about 'Spoilers' for a historical plot, but if you didn't want to know HOW Hamilton staged it then you should avoid listening to clips looking at production images etc. Personally I'm not bothered in terms of TV or theatre. For TV I'm generally about 5-10 years behind everyone else watching a series so for example if someone spoiled the ending of The Sopranos to me now, I'm in no position to complain. Likewise if a show has been open ages and I find out what happens, I don't think I'm in a position to complain. If you're really 'spoiler phobic' then there's ways to avoid it- mute twitter accounts, don't read reviews...or threads on Forums
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Post by Stasia on Feb 7, 2017 9:07:08 GMT
Speaking of spoilers I was really surprised to see the Half a Sixpence's promo-video. I know that it is quite obvious which girl the character will choose but he is choosing throughout the show and flash-bang-wallop you see his wedding with one of the two
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Post by theatremadness on Feb 7, 2017 9:11:23 GMT
Hamilton tells you the plot & who does what to him in the opening number!! I don't think they were trying to keep the characters fates as a surprise to the audience as opposed to something like the end of West Side Story, where.....I'll stop there, I think! ;-)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 7, 2017 10:02:20 GMT
Spoiler Alert! {Spoiler - click to view} Evita - she dies Jesus Christ Superstar - he dies Rocky Horror - He/She/It dies
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 10:24:08 GMT
Hamilton tells you the plot & who does what to him in the opening number!! I don't think they were trying to keep the characters fates as a surprise to the audience as opposed to something like the end of West Side Story, where.....I'll stop there, I think! ;-) In fairness to mrcurry, he said he was spoiled as to what happened to *one of* the characters, not *the main* character. Not *everyone's* fate is explicitly spelt out in the opening number.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Feb 7, 2017 10:29:41 GMT
Have I killed it for you? Sowwy!
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Post by mmmbop on Feb 7, 2017 10:32:18 GMT
Hamilton tells you the plot & who does what to him in the opening number!! I don't think they were trying to keep the characters fates as a surprise to the audience as opposed to something like the end of West Side Story, where.....I'll stop there, I think! ;-) In fairness to mrcurry , he said he was spoiled as to what happened to *one of* the characters, not *the main* character. Not *everyone's* fate is explicitly spelt out in the opening number. Actually... there's also "Me, I died for him" in that number so in terms of explicit deaths in the show it technically is covered!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 10:33:27 GMT
Is it a real-life character or a fictional one? (I'm not overly familiar with the story so don't know if they've mixed historical figures with made-up ones, sorry.) If it's a historical figure, I guess in this instance you could argue their fate has long been in the public domain...? I did not want to reveal the characters fate. But it is the same fate that awaits all of us, and all the characters in the show are historical figures. The character dies. The plot may be in the public domain in America, but almost no-one in the Uk knows about the historical figures who started the American revolution. Er.......ur really annoyed that social media gave plot details away so u come on social media and give plot details away yourself?! Hypocrisy dear
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 10:42:46 GMT
In fairness to mrcurry , he said he was spoiled as to what happened to *one of* the characters, not *the main* character. Not *everyone's* fate is explicitly spelt out in the opening number. Actually... there's also "Me, I died for him" in that number so in terms of explicit deaths in the show it technically is covered! Partially true but going in, it's not necessarily immediately apparent that the actor saying that is representing both characters at the same time, and it's still quite a vague statement. "Philip died", for example, is a historical fact spoiler and says as much as the lyric does. "Philip died in a duel that Alexander encouraged him into and said wouldn't be a big deal and then Philip's duel really echoed the Laurens/Lee duel while simultaneously foreshadowing the Hamilton/Burr duel and it's not on the cast recording but the way Eliza screams after Philip's death is devastating" is very show-specific and is the kind of conversation I've seen all over Tumblr and Twitter and similar, that would be MUCH more of a spoiler than a single lyric from over an hour ago. The "how" of an event is often SO MUCH MORE of a spoiler than the "what".
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Post by Stasia on Feb 7, 2017 12:33:58 GMT
The "how" of an event is often SO MUCH MORE of a spoiler than the "what". Couldn't agree more. And also - here's LMM himself answering on the "I went online and spoilers found me" plea: " if you’re scared of the bull, stay out the rodeo!"
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