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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:31:14 GMT
Has anyone seen his speech
It has now generated its own media commentary
But MY GOD
It's one of the worst acceptance speeches ever
It's not like he comes across as a dynamic stylish quirky mega star and can get away with outrageous comments
The arrogance of what he said is quite quite unbelievable
Added to the total joke of his relationship last year
No one will take him seriously
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:35:41 GMT
Yeah I'm not quite sure what he was thinking. The night had had a few really lovely speeches, and some made the effort to put focus on important topics, which was great. I assume this was his attempt to do that. But dragging it on so long and then ending it with the statement that he did was just a little unbelievable as you say and rather tone deaf.
He has made an apology and said it was down to nerves which is fine and forgivable. But he should be more careful in the future.
The speech for anyone that hasn't seen it yet:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:38:08 GMT
I don't think it will be forgiven that easily
Compare how he comes across with someone like Eddie Redmayne for example
Hiddleston has this intensely unlikeable streak
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Post by d'James on Jan 10, 2017 13:38:33 GMT
The actors' faces while he's saying all that are very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:39:47 GMT
The actors' faces while he's saying all that are very interesting. Yes You are right Hilarious and quite sickened they seem!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:40:54 GMT
I don't think it will be forgiven that easily Compare how he comes across with someone like Eddie Redmayne for example Hiddleston has this intensely unlikeable streak Well he's a white, fairly young, bankable man so I don't think he'll struggle to get roles. But I think he'll have to wait a while to win a major award again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:52:25 GMT
I don't think it will be forgiven that easily Compare how he comes across with someone like Eddie Redmayne for example Hiddleston has this intensely unlikeable streak Hollywood have forgiven many others for a lot worse. I'm sure they'll forgive Hiddles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 13:57:15 GMT
Oh dear, it started well but then it all went a bit wrong, didn't it?
Bit baffled by the need for an apology, though.
I mean, don't we all look up to and appreciate performers/creatives for taking us out of the problems we're facing - whether it's a bad day at work, ill health or working in a war zone? Isn't it better that performers/creatives feels chuffed about that rather than how many awards they have on their mantelpieces?
Given the vapid whoops and crying fits some other celebs seem prone to at these things, a bit of nervously delivered, well-intentioned burble about charities and charity workers seems pretty harmless.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 10, 2017 13:57:26 GMT
Honestly, what's all the fuss about? He's already apologised for not managing to express himself clearly.
He wasn't prepared (he'd made a bet against himself winning), he was nervous, he tends to ramble at the best of times. He's human.
He won't make the mistake again, I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 14:39:41 GMT
Likewise I fail to see the fuss- no it wasn't the most articulate speech known to man, but we all bumble and make mistakes. And famous people say and do far worse (almost daily.
Also chatter about his relationship with I assume Taylor Swift, is as bad as tabloid fodder...who he does what with is frankly his own business.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 10, 2017 15:01:12 GMT
To be honest I think he's had a few years of the 'build them up' phase so we're now into 'knock them down', and probably will be for a while. People will get bored of their schadenfreude eventually and move on to the next poor sod.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 15:20:10 GMT
Okay, I'm gonna be the one to say this, what's actually wrong with this speech?
I kept waiting for the moment he was going to make some vile joke but it never quite came. I don't know anything about this guy, and I've never seen The Night Manager, but all he's really doing is telling a story about when he was quite humbled about the impact of the show/film/thing he was in, and even better, it's relevant to the context of the piece of work.
I enjoyed Tom's speech and thought it was a nice testament to the wide ranging success of what he was a part of, and he seemed genuinely quite proud to have been able to contribute to it in the way that he did. Maybe I'm emotionally blind but I can't see a problem with it whatsoever. Unlike Meryl Streep's speech (which I adored, just like I adore her), his was actually relevant to the moment, and wasn't just opportunism and using the platform available to try and illustrate his social relevance.
I'm now quite tempted to go and find out what The Night Manager is and go and watch it, I am actually quite bemused as to why this is being treated as some gigantic career failure and the OP is quite fervently suggesting he displayed "arrogance" and made "outrageous comments". Anyone care to enlighten me?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 15:29:31 GMT
Okay, I'm gonna be the one to say this, what's actually wrong with this speech? It's tone deaf and self-congratulatory to point out how bad life is in warzones but then be like 'but it's not that bad because they had The Night Manager, which I was in!'
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Post by d'James on Jan 10, 2017 15:36:00 GMT
I think it's probably true that the media have been waiting for a while to have a go at him for something, after the Taylor Swift fiasco. He openly courted the press then, or at least she did and he went along with it (that t-shirt anyone?). Up until that point he could've had as much of a private life as he wanted, and hopefully he still can in future.
Anyway, as I said earlier, the expressions on the actors' faces are very interesting like they don't quite know where he's going with it.
We should give him the benefit of the doubt though, and assume he meant well and it just came out wrong under the high-pressured, nervous circumstances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 15:45:59 GMT
He was clearly going for "I felt very humbled by this", but hit the "accidental bragging" branch on the way down. Judging by the amount of ums and ers he wasn't expecting to even be a horse in the race, and frankly if I can get a gif of Christian Slater's reaction to all the awkwardness, then it's all a big ol' case of no harm done.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 10, 2017 16:08:37 GMT
Okay, I'm gonna be the one to say this, what's actually wrong with this speech? It's tone deaf and self-congratulatory to point out how bad life is in warzones but then be like 'but it's not that bad because they had The Night Manager, which I was in!' He didn't mean it like that. If he'd prepared a speech in advance it wouldn't have come out like that, either. That was the mistake. He was very surprised to win the award. I think his brain jumped to the last time he was very surprised that people told him they'd liked TNM, and tried to mash the two together into a speech reflecting on the value of the arts (awards ceremonies always have a bunch of people reflecting on the value of the arts) and shine a light on the crisis in South Sudan and the people working to alleviate it (which he is in the process of making a documentary about with UNICEF). Too much to do in a short acceptance speech anyway, but on the fly in front of an audience of the most important people in your business?? Ouch!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 16:14:32 GMT
I'm sure he didn't mean it like that but alas that's how it came across and therefore I think the apology was suitable. Happy to move on now though.
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Post by foxa on Jan 10, 2017 18:09:07 GMT
There is something absurd about Hiddleston - I can't quite put my finger on what it is. I actually think he was well-intentioned (and he did well to mention so many names in his early thank you and the accent on Medicin sans Frontieres (sp?) was impressive as well) but then it did seem to be sort of an odd humble/brag about these young people 'tottering' over to him. But I don't think he needed to apologise. You remember Gwyneth's weird (sob): Dad you'll never know what a wonderful family you had' (or something like that)? Or Sally Field's 'You like me, you really, really like me' ? (I think they were a bit loath to give her awards after that one. Or Shirley Maclaine's 'I deserve this. Thank you.' Or when Marlon Brando sent up Sacheen Littlefeather to get his award? My personal least favourite was Mike Leight's at the Baftas: 'It's about time.' (or that's my recollection, maybe I'm being unfair.)
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Post by foxa on Jan 10, 2017 18:10:45 GMT
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Post by Michael on Jan 10, 2017 18:16:49 GMT
I'm more surprised that people actually watch these acceptance speeches.
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Post by theatremadness on Jan 10, 2017 18:32:36 GMT
I'm more surprised that people actually watch these acceptance speeches. They're part of an awards ceremony - how can you not?
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Post by Michael on Jan 10, 2017 18:36:54 GMT
I'm more surprised that people actually watch these acceptance speeches. They're part of an awards ceremony - how can you not? Watch the recording and fast-forward?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 18:43:04 GMT
I love a speech!
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Post by theatremadness on Jan 10, 2017 19:04:15 GMT
They're part of an awards ceremony - how can you not? Watch the recording and fast-forward? I mean if you're really *that* desperate not to watch an acceptance speech (which can be, on occasion, a really wonderful thing), then sure. Personally, I hate watching awards ceremonies on a recording as no doubt the results will get spoiled long before I get a chance to watch. That's why I always get hugely annoyed at those around BAFTA time who insist on publishing the results in real-time when they *know* it's being broadcast on a delay!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 19:20:09 GMT
Not a particular fan of Hiddleston but I was very impressed when I went to see a Sunday morning showing of "High Rise" at the London Film Festival - the gala premiere was the previous night and he was of course there with the rest of the cast & director. But he (and the director) also turned up and did an intro and lengthy post-screening Q&A on the Sunday morning - very unusual for a celeb to bother doing this.
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