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Post by viserys on Feb 2, 2016 7:57:47 GMT
Following a conversation yesterday in which I realized that a 2-CD-Set that had been sitting at the back of my shelf for years has become a rare collectors' item, I've started to wonder if there is some sort of collectors' database that lists out-of-print CDs, collectors items being sought and so on. I found castalbums.org where people can compile "wanted" lists, but the website doesn't show the approximate worth, so unless there's an auction going on on eBay, I wouldn't know how to gauge the worth of such CDs. While I'm not desperate for money, I have been wondering about flogging a part of my CD collection simply because it's only gathering dust and I feel that others may get far more pleasure from them than I do. So if someone could suggest ways to find out which CDs are rare/out of print these days to begin with and what their worth would be, I'd very much appreciate it.
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Post by viserys on Feb 2, 2016 12:16:35 GMT
Oh, thank you so much, that's incredibly helpful. Unfortunately right now castalbumdb.com gives me an Error when I click on a specific recording, but even looking at the Footlight and Dress Circle websites is quite impressive (£150 for Spend, Spend, Spend?!). Dress Circle has kinda gone off my radar since the shop in Covent Garden closed, but I guess it would make sense to compile a list and send to them.
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Post by alece10 on Feb 2, 2016 12:51:09 GMT
I have the CD of Spend Spend Spend and programme which I am saving for when times get hard.
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Post by partytentdown on Feb 2, 2016 13:39:21 GMT
why is Spend Spend Spend so valuable?
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Post by viserys on Feb 2, 2016 13:49:14 GMT
It was a very limited release, only available in the theatre and at Dress Circle at the time? I do have it and it would be one of those I'd be willing to flog if the price is right since I haven't touched the CD (like most of my CDs) in years. The only "super rarity" I'm not willing to part with is the London Cast Recording of Children of Eden. It came out around the time I first got into musicals and I LOVED it and played it often. So it's a memory I want to hold on (never mind the wear and tear of the actual CD). I do have an obscure maxi-single (vinyl) of Frances Ruffelle singing "Stranger to the Rain" though, wonder if that's worth anything. Do kids today even know what a maxi single is?
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Post by partytentdown on Feb 2, 2016 14:06:44 GMT
It was a very limited release, only available in the theatre and at Dress Circle at the time? I do have it and it would be one of those I'd be willing to flog if the price is right since I haven't touched the CD (like most of my CDs) in years. The only "super rarity" I'm not willing to part with is the London Cast Recording of Children of Eden. It came out around the time I first got into musicals and I LOVED it and played it often. So it's a memory I want to hold on (never mind the wear and tear of the actual CD). I do have an obscure maxi-single (vinyl) of Frances Ruffelle singing "Stranger to the Rain" though, wonder if that's worth anything. Do kids today even know what a maxi single is? I'm well into my 30s and don't know what one is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 14:24:12 GMT
It was a very limited release, only available in the theatre and at Dress Circle at the time? I do have it and it would be one of those I'd be willing to flog if the price is right since I haven't touched the CD (like most of my CDs) in years. The only "super rarity" I'm not willing to part with is the London Cast Recording of Children of Eden. It came out around the time I first got into musicals and I LOVED it and played it often. So it's a memory I want to hold on (never mind the wear and tear of the actual CD). I do have an obscure maxi-single (vinyl) of Frances Ruffelle singing "Stranger to the Rain" though, wonder if that's worth anything. Do kids today even know what a maxi single is? I have the rare (playable) Children of Eden too! I also owned a vinyl single of Frances Ruffelle singing On My Own, but a completely different version form the one in the show. Had drums... I have tried to listen to it on Youtube to no avail. Anyone else remember that? Or still have it?!
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Post by viserys on Feb 2, 2016 14:26:52 GMT
I think they might be better known as 12" singles in the UK (compared to regular 7" singles). Basically it was a very drawn-out version of a song that could go on for ages. Soft Cell's "Tainted Love" and New Orders "Blue Monday" were good examples where the 12"/maxi single were actually more popular than the regular version.
God, I feel old now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 14:45:04 GMT
[Spend Spend Spend] It was a very limited release, only available in the theatre and at Dress Circle at the time? To be valuable it has to be in demand as well as rare. Spend³ was a good show but I can't think of any reason why it should now be popular enough to justify those prices when it wasn't popular enough at the time it was running to justify a larger pressing. I have some singles that are very rare, but they're rare because they were crap and nobody wanted them then* and nobody wants them now. * Apart from me, obviously.
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Post by theunderstudy on Feb 2, 2016 15:00:22 GMT
So if someone could suggest ways to find out which CDs are rare/out of print these days to begin with and what their worth would be, I'd very much appreciate it. As a general rule of thumb CDs are worth money if: - they are early West German or Japanese CDs (pre-1989). This is where the world's first CD plants were built. - the audio fidelity of the particular pressing is considered to be the best. All CDs don't in fact sound the same. In collector circles the two generally boil down to the same thing, though later high resolution formats (Super Audio) are valuable as so few are made. Sarah Brightman SACDs are incredibly rare. Out of print really means 1st edition in CD collecting jargon since digital downloads mean everything is always in print. The rarest CDs are also some of the biggest sellers. ABBA first edition CDs, Now That's What I Call Music 4 and Michael Jackson's Thriller sell for over £200 but they have to be the 1st pressing. It's ultimately like book collecting. This is the best CD resource there is www.keithhirsch.com/
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Post by Nelly on Feb 2, 2016 16:17:32 GMT
I use this one (not the same as castalbumsdb) : castalbums.org/I've always found it useful, informative and way more complete than the one linked earlier in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 17:02:29 GMT
(Although viserys did already say in the first post of the thread that he didn't find it particularly suitable for his needs, sooo...)
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Post by Nelly on Feb 2, 2016 17:21:57 GMT
(Although viserys did already say in the first post of the thread that he didn't find it particularly suitable for his needs, sooo...) So he did, it didn't stick out in the post as it wasn't a link! My bad!
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Post by viserys on Feb 2, 2016 18:32:46 GMT
It's fine I actually went back to it and I think I might try the forum there at some point. You all have given me some great pointers. Now I need to get my backside in gear and compile a list sometime...
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Post by d'James on Feb 2, 2016 19:14:36 GMT
It was a very limited release, only available in the theatre and at Dress Circle at the time? I do have it and it would be one of those I'd be willing to flog if the price is right since I haven't touched the CD (like most of my CDs) in years. The only "super rarity" I'm not willing to part with is the London Cast Recording of Children of Eden. It came out around the time I first got into musicals and I LOVED it and played it often. So it's a memory I want to hold on (never mind the wear and tear of the actual CD). I do have an obscure maxi-single (vinyl) of Frances Ruffelle singing "Stranger to the Rain" though, wonder if that's worth anything. Do kids today even know what a maxi single is? I have the rare (playable) Children of Eden too! I also owned a vinyl single of Frances Ruffelle singing On My Own, but a completely different version form the one in the show. Had drums... I have tried to listen to it on Youtube to no avail. Anyone else remember that? Or still have it?! I've got two vinyls of On My Own. Can't listen to them at the mo, what picture has yours got on the front?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 19:40:28 GMT
It had (no longer have the single) a profile picture of FR, nose slighty upturned. Hair blown partly over face. It had "Newly recorded version of her showstopper" on it too.
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Post by d'James on Feb 2, 2016 19:46:21 GMT
Yes I've got that one. Next time I'm at my Dad's I'll try and listen to it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 20:55:33 GMT
I did find it eventually on Youtube. Try FR OMO 1987. She appears lipscynching on an American show, very 80s outfit and hair! Nice version though, which takes me all the way back to... the 80s!
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Post by SamB (was badoerfan) on Feb 3, 2016 12:44:00 GMT
There are two different singles of On My Own by Frances Ruffelle. One is from 1985 and was released as part of the promotion for the original London run of the Les Mis, and is just the OLC recording without the 'beginning' of the song (i.e. it starts with 'on my own pretending he's beside me' rather than 'and now I'm all alone again...'). The second comes from 1987 and is a 'pop/rock' version, released as the second single of her RCA recording contract - the first single was the rather different 'He's My Hero':
As far as I am aware, neither of them are worth much money. I bought them both from EIL or eBay, I forget which, about ten years ago, when I was a student, and there's no way I would have paid a lot for them then. I doubt they've gone up much in value in the intervening years.
(edit: woah, that YT video went all embedded and massive - is there any way here just to post a link without it embedding?)
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Post by SamB (was badoerfan) on Feb 3, 2016 12:45:45 GMT
It was a very limited release, only available in the theatre and at Dress Circle at the time? I do have it and it would be one of those I'd be willing to flog if the price is right since I haven't touched the CD (like most of my CDs) in years. The only "super rarity" I'm not willing to part with is the London Cast Recording of Children of Eden. It came out around the time I first got into musicals and I LOVED it and played it often. So it's a memory I want to hold on (never mind the wear and tear of the actual CD). I do have an obscure maxi-single (vinyl) of Frances Ruffelle singing "Stranger to the Rain" though, wonder if that's worth anything. Do kids today even know what a maxi single is? I own that maxi-single of Stranger to the Rain, as well as the CD single and the 7" single. Again, like the On My Own singles above, I bought them when I was a student, so I didn't pay much for them, and doubt they'd be worth considerably more these days.
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Post by trapdoor on Feb 3, 2016 15:03:26 GMT
I have the CD of Spend Spend Spend and programme which I am saving for when times get hard. I'm so jealous, have been looking for it for ever. Even Amazon has a new one for £800+.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 18:08:11 GMT
Spend Spend Spend is being released as part of a Barbara Dickson 4CD set which will also be very limited. That's selling for £50 so a cheaper option.
My collection of theatre recordings is pretty extensive, as a rule of thumb if vinyl has been released on a proper pressed CD it becomes worth very little, if on a CD-R then it will tend to retain its value. Clownaround, for example, has less than a hundred copies in existence as the show tanked and the album run was binned. I paid a nice amount for mine maybe twenty years ago and, unless you're lucky and someone sells it thinking it's on CD properly, you'll still pay a lot. Same with acetates or pressed vinyl demos, often via the composers or publishers, these can be pretty unique. I've provided recordings to a few labels which release old musical recordings, often ones that the composer themself had forgotten about, as long as it means they have an existence and more than the few that have them get to hear it then that's great.
CDs are sometimes rare because they were only sold at the theatre but, again, the rarest are those that never even got that far, being destroyed (as per Cam Mack and the Korean Les Mis that they hadn't asked for permission for) or properly pressed demo or private discs. Again CD-Rs aren't really worth much as they're pretty easy to make copies of.
Sometimes the nature of a show means that not many were pressed, industrial shows for example, or college shows. One of my favourites is 'Bathrooms are Coming', a musical about the joys of bathroom fittings (seriously). Non English language recordings too, especially from small markets like Iceland.
A few things I don't yet have, CDs such as the Australian Sunset Blvd single by Debra Byrne, the Mamma Mia Moscow promo CD, Billy Elliot Italian cast CD and We Will Rock You Dutch Cast 3 track Promo. For vinyl then the Norwegian Cats LP, Lieutenant OBC LP, Irish Songs of Sondheim LP or Listen to the Wind studio EP. If you have any original copies of these please shout out!!
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Post by viserys on Feb 3, 2016 18:36:24 GMT
I have that Norwegian Cats recording on original cassette. Not sure if that counts?
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Post by trapdoor on Feb 4, 2016 11:40:54 GMT
Spend Spend Spend is being released as part of a Barbara Dickson 4CD set which will also be very limited. That's selling for £50 so a cheaper option. You absolute legend. May your theatre visits never appear on the 'Bad behaviour' thread. May you never see an understudy ever again. May your seats forever be upgraded. Just pre-ordered it! Thank you so much for the nod!
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Post by alece10 on Feb 4, 2016 12:10:27 GMT
Spend Spend Spend is being released as part of a Barbara Dickson 4CD set which will also be very limited. That's selling for £50 so a cheaper option. You absolute legend. May your theatre visits never appear on the 'Bad behaviour' thread. May you never see an understudy ever again. May your seats forever be upgraded. Just pre-ordered it! Thank you so much for the nod! Damm you Barbara Dickson! There was me hoping to make some money from my copy when times are hard, now no one will want to pay inflated prices for it. I will have to rely on my signed poster from Paraside Found now to make my fortune.
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