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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 22:32:14 GMT
Would it be possible to share the whole cast list please? There's a lot of good folk in the cast and the NT website is extraordinarily unhelpful when it comes to who is playing who in things.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 16, 2017 0:01:37 GMT
So, it ended at 10.45, it was 3 hours and 15 minutes but it will get shorter during previews and the interval lasted 30 minutes tonight.
Emma Rice would love this production, it's bizarre and very gender-focused even for Twelfth Night's standards (the Elephant is a gay club, etc). I loved the set, it was very imaginative and for once the revolve was used cleverly. Nice performances all around, especially Sir Toby, Sir Andrew, Feste and Malvolia.
I think that having a female Malvolio really focused the attention on how the character is abused by Toby, Andrew, Fabio and Feste: Tamsin wasn't playing for laughters, she was shivering and was scared. Similarly, the finale was very focused on this aspect of Malvolia's humiliation: people don't laugh her out of the stage, but there is a sincere concern for her and Olivia is clearly mad at Maria & co. Actually, the finale is quite low-key and melancholic, there is the joy of found love and weddings, but there is a particular attention for the losers as well: Sir Andrew waiting for the bus, Malvolia alone with the traumas of the abuse. I found it quite touching.
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Post by lonlad on Feb 16, 2017 0:49:41 GMT
How is the wonderful Oliver Chris?
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 16, 2017 8:43:14 GMT
Would it be possible to share the whole cast list please? There's a lot of good folk in the cast and the NT website is extraordinarily unhelpful when it comes to who is playing who in things. Tamara Lawrence (Viola), Daniel Ezra (Sebastian), Oliver Chris (Orsino), Emmanuel Kojo (Cuio), Brad Morrison (Valentine), James Wallace (Captain/Priest), Tim McMullan (Sir Toby), Daniel Rigby (Sir Andrew), Niky Wardley (Maria), Adam Best (Antonio), Doon Mackichan (Feste), Phoebe Fox (Olivia), Tamsin Greig (Malvolia), Imogen Doel (Fabia)
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Post by couldileaveyou on Feb 16, 2017 8:43:51 GMT
How is the wonderful Oliver Chris? He was an adorably goofy Orsino
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 8:54:00 GMT
Thanks very much!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 9:07:21 GMT
So, it ended at 10.45, it was 3 hours and 15 minutes but it will get shorter during previews and the interval lasted 30 minutes tonight. Emma Rice would love this production, it's bizarre and very gender-focused even for Twelfth Night's standards (the Elephant is a gay club, etc). I loved the set, it was very imaginative and for once the revolve was used cleverly. Nice performances all around, especially Sir Toby, Sir Andrew, Feste and Malvolia. I think that having a female Malvolio really focused the attention on how the character is abused by Toby, Andrew, Fabio and Feste: Tamsin wasn't playing for laughters, she was shivering and was scared. Similarly, the finale was very focused on this aspect of Malvolia's humiliation: people don't laugh her out of the stage, but there is a sincere concern for her and Olivia is clearly mad at Maria & co. Actually, the finale is quite low-key and melancholic, there is the joy of found love and weddings, but there is a particular attention for the losers as well: Sir Andrew waiting for the bus, Malvolia alone with the traumas of the abuse. I found it quite touching. Am very excited about this - seeing it this weekend. I always find the laughter at Malvolio jarring by the end - he/she is being horribly abused and I've seen great actors play it in a very moving way; but audiences always seem determined to find it unrelentingly comedic regardless.
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Post by MrBunbury on Feb 16, 2017 11:20:55 GMT
So, it ended at 10.45, it was 3 hours and 15 minutes but it will get shorter during previews and the interval lasted 30 minutes tonight. Emma Rice would love this production, it's bizarre and very gender-focused even for Twelfth Night's standards (the Elephant is a gay club, etc). I loved the set, it was very imaginative and for once the revolve was used cleverly. Nice performances all around, especially Sir Toby, Sir Andrew, Feste and Malvolia. I think that having a female Malvolio really focused the attention on how the character is abused by Toby, Andrew, Fabio and Feste: Tamsin wasn't playing for laughters, she was shivering and was scared. Similarly, the finale was very focused on this aspect of Malvolia's humiliation: people don't laugh her out of the stage, but there is a sincere concern for her and Olivia is clearly mad at Maria & co. Actually, the finale is quite low-key and melancholic, there is the joy of found love and weddings, but there is a particular attention for the losers as well: Sir Andrew waiting for the bus, Malvolia alone with the traumas of the abuse. I found it quite touching. Very excited about this now, although I have still more than one month before seeing it!
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Post by peggs on Feb 16, 2017 12:23:38 GMT
~Yes thanks couldileaveyou, had been trying to work out the cast, why does the NT feel the need to keep it a secret on their website now?
Looked at some photos the other day and only then realised Tim McMullan was in it, mmmm heaven for the ears.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 21:28:41 GMT
1h 40m first half
But started almost 10 mins late
And best ever drum/ revolve problems with priceless corpsing
The play is sh*t
Hate Twelfth Night and generally find his comedies feeble and pathetic with lame sexual innudeno
As a result they usually get over earnest staging like a Carry on film
I LOVE the tragedies and find them dramatically more convincing
Anyway
Tamsin Greig will get awards nominations for this
She is fantastic
Phoebe Fox also excellent
And Tim McMullan wonderful
These three make the show sparkle with life
Doon Mackichan plays the same character she did in Jumpy
Anyway see it for Tamsin Greig
Wonderful sardonic funny and made me laugh
I thought the set is cumbersome
Supposed to be lavish but it requires too much fiddling about from stage hands And is hardly a Chanel show staging
As for the cross gendering Altering
Whatever
It's just an excuse to be "modern"
I ignored it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 21:32:35 GMT
The play itself is a bit of a mess
And too long
And the comedies are quite dramatically inert
That's what annoys me about them
Comedy has become more sophisticated now
Whereas tragedy hasn't really dated in any way
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Post by bellboard27 on Feb 17, 2017 21:53:06 GMT
The play itself is a bit of a mess And too long And the comedies are quite dramatically inert That's what annoys me about them Comedy has become more sophisticated now Whereas tragedy hasn't really dated in any way I still bet, parsley, even so, underneath your sartorial outfit, you had on a pair of yellow stockings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 22:40:52 GMT
The cast are fantastic
And Greig amazing
But I still don't really like the play
Why not pick a better play
Rather than wasting talent
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Post by mallardo on Feb 18, 2017 9:05:57 GMT
430 years ago it would have worked so much better - boy actor playing a girl playing a boy, etc. The mistaken identity thing might just have been plausible.
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Post by martin1965 on Feb 18, 2017 9:09:53 GMT
The cast are fantastic And Greig amazing But I still don't really like the play Why not pick a better play Rather than wasting talent Same argument as i have with Jan, why did you bother going?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 9:56:58 GMT
The cast are fantastic And Greig amazing But I still don't really like the play Why not pick a better play Rather than wasting talent Same argument as i have with Jan, why did you bother going? Free night out Life is sh*t And we carry on living
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Post by martin1965 on Feb 18, 2017 11:41:01 GMT
Same argument as i have with Jan, why did you bother going? Free night out Life is sh*t And we carry on living Lucky old you!
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Post by crabtree on Feb 18, 2017 12:18:18 GMT
personally, I adore this play. It is perfect, and for a play four centuries old to be addressing fluid sexuality with such joyous tolerance and acceptance is amazing, and now so relevant.....'what you will' seems to be a perfect way to live. It is, simply, a masterpiece, and I for one will stand up for it, and see it every year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 12:58:48 GMT
personally, I adore this play. It is perfect, and for a play four centuries old to be addressing fluid sexuality with such joyous tolerance and acceptance is amazing, and now so relevant.....'what you will' seems to be a perfect way to live. It is, simply, a masterpiece, and I for one will stand up for it, and see it every year. It's a superb production overall
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Post by sondheimhats on Feb 19, 2017 0:47:06 GMT
LOVED this production! So clever, creative and elegant. Oliver Chris, Tamara Lawrence, Phoebe Fox, Tamsin Grieg, and really the whole cast are just excellent. Like in the best of Shakespeare productions, Godwin has a clear sense of what story he's telling, and finds his own hilarious directorial touches that rise so effortlessly from the text. Easily the best Twelfth Night I've seen. Lovely design and excellent use of space and NT's budget.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 10:27:49 GMT
OMG, I was in the same audience as Parsley! I really hope he/she/it was the cantankerous woman sitting next to me who grumbled about everyone in the vicinity and told me off in the interval for brushing my hair while she was eating an ice cream.
I loved this; I really like the play anyway and this production got everything possible out of it - only weak link for me was the actor playing Viola/Cesario who was adequate but not much more. Every strand of the play and every character was allowed to shine. Tamsin Greig was brilliant (infuriating and moving at the same time), but I don't remember seeing a production in which Maria made such an impact before and Belch and Aguecheek were amusing where they are usually just tedious. Feste was also used (and played) very well. I'm not going to get too engaged with the suggestion that the gender swapping is just 'to be modern' - great actors are doing great things with those roles, which is what you want. If you didn't know they were originally male parts, I don't think you'd suspect it - it doesn't jar in the slightest. (I've never understood why Ariel in the Tempest is so rarely played by a woman, but that's another conversation).
Very engaged and enthusiastic audience (to a fault sometimes - I don't need people 'aaahing' loudly at Malvolio at the end and ruining the moment). Reminded me of seeing the NT Much Ado - not in content or style but in the feeling of a whole audience coming out buoyed by having seen something special.
Three hours and the interval wasn't till 9.15pm. It feels slightly too long and some of that is directorial self-indulgence which could be cut with no loss to the production. But that's a minor quibble.
Am even contemplating looking for another ticket later in the run despite the price. Would imagine the reviews will be very good so will probably sell out quickly after that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 10:51:11 GMT
OMG, I was in the same audience as Parsley! I really hope he/she/it was the cantankerous woman sitting next to me who grumbled about everyone in the vicinity and told me off in the interval for brushing my hair while she was eating an ice cream. I loved this; I really like the play anyway and this production got everything possible out of it - only weak link for me was the actor playing Viola/Cesario who was adequate but not much more. Every strand of the play and every character was allowed to shine. Tamsin Greig was brilliant (infuriating and moving at the same time), but I don't remember seeing a production in which Maria made such an impact before and Belch and Aguecheek were amusing where they are usually just tedious. Feste was also used (and played) very well. I'm not going to get too engaged with the suggestion that the gender swapping is just 'to be modern' - great actors are doing great things with those roles, which is what you want. If you didn't know they were originally male parts, I don't think you'd suspect it - it doesn't jar in the slightest. (I've never understood why Ariel in the Tempest is so rarely played by a woman, but that's another conversation). Very engaged and enthusiastic audience (to a fault sometimes - I don't need people 'aaahing' loudly at Malvolio at the end and ruining the moment). Reminded me of seeing the NT Much Ado - not in content or style but in the feeling of a whole audience coming out buoyed by having seen something special. Three hours and the interval wasn't till 9.15pm. It feels slightly too long and some of that is directorial self-indulgence which could be cut with no loss to the production. But that's a minor quibble. Am even contemplating looking for another ticket later in the run despite the price. Would imagine the reviews will be very good so will probably sell out quickly after that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 10:52:13 GMT
No!!!
I wasn't that lady!
I agree with you
The acting is top notch and as good as any you will see and the set is very ambitious in its rotating
Although as I said a shame they need so many stage hands to move it about as well which ruins the effect somewhat as it is evidently not automated
I just think the play is a bit of a lame story and the production makes it seems more protracted than ever
Is Twelfth Night usually 3 hours long? I do not think so but correct me if I am wrong
What is most odd is that I feel compelled to go back and see it again just for Tamsin Greig
But I know I won't
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 10:59:31 GMT
Were the stage hands needed before the set came to a halt? I assumed they were just there to make sure it was alright after that - will be interesting to hear whether they are there for subsequent performances.
I agree, I think Twelfth Night is usually around 2 hours 30/45 at a push. Three hours was ok for a Friday night and didn't drag but if I had work the next day I'd be checking my watch.
Disappointed I didn't sit next to you, but glad I didn't spoil your ice cream...!
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Post by crabtree on Feb 20, 2017 11:50:27 GMT
I've lost track of how many times I have seen this play, and yes, I've even been in it, and I don't recall ever have seen a terrible production of it. I loved the Mark Rylance Olivia, though surprisingly Stephen Fry was a very dull Malvolio. The Desmond Barritt Malvolio in a very touristy pretty RSC version was great. I have enormously fond memories of a Colchester Mercury production designed a la book of Hours. The Trevor Nunn film was a bit dire though, saved by the sheer weight of names in the cast and a glorious score. And the melancholy RSC version with Miles Anderson as Orsino with the set dominated by an image of Narcissus,if I remember, or was he in the one with the big tree. Ah so many productions. And then the Tony sher Greek version. Oh yes just remembered the Hollywood movie she's the Man or something, with Orsino, or 'Duke' as a college soccer player. Hmm. I wonder that there has never been a ballet of it. I've still not scene, and this could be just my dirty mind, a production that really plays on the fluid sexuality as much as it could. Maybe the new NT production is just that.
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Post by Mark on Feb 20, 2017 11:55:03 GMT
I saw a production at the NT about 6 or so years ago in the Cottesloe. It was awful. Might give this one a try though since I love Tamsin and it seems to be getting relatively good word of mouth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 11:57:39 GMT
yes do try it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 12:12:03 GMT
The Cottesloe production was DIRE. I still get flashbacks. Maybe that's what my friends are thinking of when they say they just don't think it's a very good play to begin with. I think it's a brilliant play, but has been burdened by productions that just don't live up to the writing. Some have come close, but no one production has managed it all yet.
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Post by vdcni on Feb 20, 2017 12:56:05 GMT
My first Twelfth Night was the Donmar West End with Jacobi which I loved but the two I've seen since I haven't rated.
The Cottesloe had a decent cast but they got it all wrong, Rebecca Hall was utterly lifeless in that.
I really didn't enjoy the Globe version. I know few will agree but for me Rylance was a major part of the problem, putting on a turn rather than playing a character, he did nothing for me and Stephen Fry was awful as Malvolio. The only one I thought came out with any credit from that disaster was Samuel Barnett.
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Post by Mark on Feb 20, 2017 12:59:27 GMT
Glad it wasn't just me then!
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