Clinton vs Trump

Right. Also, it was never closed. It takes years to close FBI inquiries.

P.S. www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/james-comey-broke-with-loretta-lynch-and-justice-department-tradition

P.P.S. www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit

To be fair the "electability" argument the mainstream media always use is kind of bullsh*t. How can a racist sexist bigot and a corrupt manipulator be more electable than an honest man who has been fighting for equal rights for over 40 years? Polls showed that Bernie would have obliterated Trump in a general election.

Where excatly does it say that it were "her employees" when she was Secretary of State (i.e. federal employees)? This article only says that Doug Band and Justin Cooper - both (former) aides/advisors to Bill Clinton - were collecting money for the Clinton Foundation and arranging paid speeches for Bill Clinton. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm not aware about any "wild claims about Trump". He said all these abominable things himself or posted them on Twitter. No further proof needed, listening to him for a bit is more than sufficient to realise that he's the least suitable person to be president of the US.

The fact that she had a gigantic lead before the first person even voted makes a tremendous difference. It gives people a false impression that that candidate is going to win no matter what, which is also the narrative the mainstream media kept spinning. "Who's gonna vote for this guy? Just look at him"

And polls showed that he'd do a lot better against Trump than Hillary would. Don't forget that to vote in the primaries you have to be a registered democrat. Many people who do vote in the general election don't bother to vote during the primaries, mainly because it's too much of an effort to get registered to vote for the primaries for a particular party. So the primary voters are not the same as general election voters by a long shot.

Maybe so. But the polls still showed that Bernie would beat Trump by a much wider margin than Hillary would. I'm not making that up. I don't know which demographics would have voted for him, but that's just what the polls said. Anyway, if Bernie were 10 or 20 years younger he'd definitely be elected next time around, because the vast majority of young people were completely behing him and his ideas. I would hardly be surprised if in 8 years they elect a progressive as president.

I understand what you're saying and I'm not anti-Bernie by any means. But just because he may or may not be more likely to beat Trump doesn't mean he should be the Democratic nominee. The Democratic nominee should be whoever the American people vote for it to be and that was undoubtedly Hillary. If she had only won due to superdelegates then I'd agree with you but as I've said, she won overwhelmingly in the popular vote too and it's not like superdelegates have never switched before. Bernie had more than a fair chance but it just wasn't going to happen. We also have to remember that Trump was not attacking Bernie during the primaries to the extent that he was Hillary, because he knew that Bernie wasn't going to get the nomination so he wasn't threatened by him. There is no doubt in my mind that Trump would have completely upped the ante on attacking Bernie if he had won the nomination and there IS stuff that he could have worked with that would have ultimately left Bernie less popular than he is now. Let's not forget there's a 'satirical' essay that Bernie wrote some decades ago talking about how people fantasise about being raped/raping:

"A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused. A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously. Have you ever looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like 'Girl 12 raped by 14 men' sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?"

How would that have looked in the face of the accusations against Trump if Bernie was his competitor? Trump would have been able to turn around and say 'well Bernie thinks that everyone fantasises about rape and are fascinated by child rape.' Even if I don't believe that Bernie's intention wasn't satire (although I think he did a very poor job of it), other people would. Stuff like that along with the socialism would have made Bernie's path to the White House just as tough as Hillary's in my opinion.

I didn't say they were federal employees. They were working for her Clinton Foundation. So, while Hillary is Secretary of State they simultaneously ask companies to "donate" both to Hillary's charity AND to her husband as a private individual and you say "nothing wrong with that". You see no conflict of interest, or any hint of impropriety ? You are a bigger fan of her than even her daughter is who called this "hustling" and said it had to stop. And in my first example if it was Boris Johnson and his wife involved you'd say that's fine, nothing to see here ?

You should have a problem because at the same time they were being asked to donate to Hillary's charity (which she set up jointly with Bill) they were also being told to pay Bill Clinton personally equivalent amounts, which they did. It is corrupt. In UK it would mean the end of her political career.

The employee I was referring to was Huma Abedin, her Chief of Staff, who was employed by her, and paid, directly by the State Department and at the same time was employed, and paid, by Doug Band's company which was soliciting these payments,and was also at the same time, employed and paid directly by the Clinton Foundation Charity - she was employed and paid simultaneously by all three. .

I get that you hate Trump, but overlooking banana republic corrupt practices like this is surprising.

Okay, so this is the big day. Any predictions? I think Clinton will win by a narrow margin. And I don't think she'll win re-election in 4 years. Paul Ryan will be president in 2021.

We'll know the results when we get up tomorrow morning. Should be out by 5am CET / 4am UK time.

I don't think Hillary will run again in four years irrespective of whether she wins or not. Let's hope that the Democrats can build up a strong successor.

Am tempted to stay up. Not sure I can face another night like the night of the Referendum though.