Clinton vs Trump

They are both awful. My son who lives over there but hasn't got a vote wanted Bernie Sanger.

What an interesting read this thread is, very fascinating to see how the mainstream media has instilled a kind of default hatred towards Trump, and Hillary as a saviour. I hope she gets what's coming to her, and I don't mean the presidency; I think once the Clinton Foundation is cracked open, they follow the money and see the extent of what's been going on it'll be a scandal like no other.

Default hatred towards Trump? Because it's not like he has said so many things that make him worthy of hatred, we just hate him because the media tell us to?

I'm more fascinated that others are fascinated that a message board dedicated to theatre would have a view that's pro-Hillary and anti-Trump or to put it more simply pro-Democrat and anti-Republican. As we speak, there is an event in New York - Broadway for Hillary - happening featuring a large number of theatre stars, composers etc. speaking, performing and fundraising for Hillary. Maybe you can imagine the same happening for Trump but I can't. Know your audience. People are free to gather their own information on the candidates and there are plenty of places online where people will find pro-Trump and anti-Hillary views (of course I'm sure you don't believe that THESE people have been brainwashed by the media). But a website for people that are interested in theatre, people that almost always have liberal views, is not likely to be that place.

I don't hate Trump. Hate is an extraordinarily strong word and it's not my overriding emotion. I fear Trump. Not as a person or a bogeyman, but the idea of his being the de facto most powerful man in the world is genuinely terrifying. The best case scenario for a Trump presidency is a quick impeachment. The worst case scenario is that he hits the button and bombs us all before anything gets that far. YOU MAY NOT THINK HILLARY IS A GOOD CHOICE BUT THIS IS REAL LIFE POLITICS WHERE THERE SO OFTEN IS NO GOOD CHOICE ONLY A LESS WORSE CHOICE.

"The Second Amendment protects an individual right that existed before the creation of any government", the second amendment protects it's citizenry from a government that would seek to strip it of its rights and freedoms- so by Trump saying "If she gets to pick her judges ― nothing you can do, folks... Although, the Second Amendment people. Maybe there is. I don’t know." about Hillary using her executive order to eliminate the second amendment He's highlighting that... if peoples rights are stripped then the second amendment allows them to bear the arms to fight back if necessary.

And Hillary should be investigated, in fact yesterday the House Oversight Committee announced that it will be furthering the investigation into Hillary's irresponsibility over her e-mail server (https://oversight.house.gov/release/chaffetz-nunes-statement-new-fbi-files-clinton-investigation/) I know people are getting sick of the "e-mail thing" but they seem to be concentrating on why it's bad that it was hacked rather than looking into the content of the revelations that have come about since- the mainstream media is only talking about alleged sexual allegations against Trump by members of the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Supporters instead of the real news and real facts.

Hillary's regime would conspire to create an 'unaware and compliant citizenry" (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599#efmARKAWn) And even Jonathan Gruber, the architect of Obamacare, admitted that "lack of transparency is a huge political advantage, and basically, you know- call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever but that was really critical in getting the thing to pass" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA5XIzIdb5s) The democrats seem to want to keep the minions in their place, Americans are citizens, not subjects- and every time I look into Clinton I see a surprising move towards some kind of... as I saw above... dictatorship. I'd be much more worried about Hillary being a war-monger than Trump- people think he's going to get into the oval office and press the "launch button" What utter crap.

People think Trump's "basket of deplorables" are bad, when really what the Clinton machine is doing is far worse...

I don't fear Trump. Congress/Establishment loathe him so will do everything in their power to put a harness on him. Although his campaigning has been 100x more active than Hillary's, I expect he'll do surprisingly little if he gets in. Most of the republican party are apathetic towards him, and if he wins he will quickly realise how untrained and inexperienced he is - exactly like the period of reflection after Brexit ("sh*t. What are we going to do now we've actually won!") - leaving him with little option but to fall back on as many political advisors as possible. He doesn't have a huge plan for America, because he wouldn't know where to start, even if he wanted to have one. The best case scenario is Trump turns out to be Mr. Lazy, and the establishment focuses on minor internal problems, instead of the foreign policy bloodbath Hillary is offering. 

Then again, I struggle to think where America has ever gone right with foreign policy... (well...)

World War 11?!?!?! Blimey, you'd think we'd have stopped after 2!

You must be joking...

When that tape was filmed, Trump was 46 years old, making him 56 when the girl was 20. A small age difference is fine but dating someone 36 years younger than you IS creepy. And even if it wasn't, that doesn't matter, because he is looking at a pre-pubescent girl as a sexual and romantic prospect. When you see a 10-year-old you shouldn't be thinking about how attractive they will be in 10 years, you should be looking at them as a child, a completely non-sexual view.

Once again, Bill Clinton is not running for president.

Except dating DOES include sex for the vast majority of people (and certainly for Trump if his own words are to be believed) and it also includes attraction. You trying to justify this is ridiculous.

Support who you want dude. But as someone that was once a 10-year-old girl and had to deal with inappropriate comments from older men around that age, I'd just rather you didn't try and justify it. It's disgusting and made me (and I'm sure that girl) feel very uncomfortable.

I'm not triggered and I don't need a safe space. This also has nothing to do with racism. But I don't believe it's an innocent comment and we need to let children be children and look at them that way and not as adults capable of relationships/sex with people 40 years older than them. I don't understand how you don't understand that but clearly you can't/wont so I wont reply again on this subject as I'm wasting my time.

BTW you have no idea how old I am so I don't know how you can judge my comments by a certain generation. Also, there are plenty of older people that think his comments are disgusting.

I completely agree, children must be children, but when I see people reacting to a comment like the one trump made as though he's a paedophile I don't think that's right and I wanted to express that, funny how people could somehow leap from such a throw away comment to "omg he's a disgusting pedo" and for that to be OK and assimilated into the discussion like it's nothing... is mind blowing... especially in the same week that it was exposed that one of Clinton's super PACs plotted to accuse Julian Assange of some pedo plot character assassination. This is worrying that people in this position of power would sink this low in order to hide the truth.

And you're right this wasn't about racism I was just going round the houses to make a point that abuse of words will only make them useless, I'm sorry for taking it that way.