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Post by Jan on Nov 9, 2016 7:20:30 GMT
I have no qualms in calling what I see. If that means calling people that voted for someone that has no experience into the most important job in the world stupid then so be it. It is stupid. No way around it. And if Trump supporters didn't want to be called racist, they shouldn't be supporting a candidate that bases so much of his platform on racism and xenophobia. Trump's won because people who voted for Obama last time failed to vote for Clinton this time. Dismissing them is thick racists is unlikely to explain that. Possibly the arrogance of the Democrats in promoting a candidate who is so burdened with baggage and open to charges of corruption and expecting people to vote for her simply because she is a woman had something to do with it - any half-way reasonable Dem candidate of any gender or race would have crushed Trump. Clinton wasn't that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 7:25:28 GMT
I have no qualms in calling what I see. If that means calling people that voted for someone that has no experience into the most important job in the world stupid then so be it. It is stupid. No way around it. And if Trump supporters didn't want to be called racist, they shouldn't be supporting a candidate that bases so much of his platform on racism and xenophobia. Trump's won because people who voted for Obama last time failed to vote for Clinton this time. Dismissing them is thick racists is unlikely to explain that. Possibly the arrogance of the Democrats in promoting a candidate who is so burdened with baggage and open to charges of corruption and expecting people to vote for her simply because she is a woman had something to do with it - any half-way reasonable Dem candidate of any gender or race would have crushed Trump. Clinton wasn't that. I'm not responding to this stuff. Try it with someone else. On a separate note, would like to point out that once all the results are in, Clinton is still predicted to win the popular vote. It will be the 5th time in history that a candidate with less votes becomes president. The last time it happened? George W. Bush. America seriously needs to update its system and let go of the electoral college. |
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Post by broadwaylover99 on Nov 9, 2016 7:36:19 GMT
America seriously needs to update its system and let go of the electoral college. [/quote] Everyone's own political opinions aside, this is one of the main issues with their political system. You speak the truth! |
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Post by Michael on Nov 9, 2016 7:38:48 GMT
And it's official. Trump won.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 7:43:24 GMT
And it's official. Trump won. Nooooooooo! |
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Post by d'James on Nov 9, 2016 7:49:59 GMT
Tell me it's not true . . .
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Nov 9, 2016 7:54:17 GMT
I had several dreams about the election last night, I'm hoping this is just another one of those dreams.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 9, 2016 7:58:42 GMT
That Melania as First Lady though   |
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Post by Jan on Nov 9, 2016 8:08:32 GMT
Trump's won because people who voted for Obama last time failed to vote for Clinton this time. Dismissing them is thick racists is unlikely to explain that. Possibly the arrogance of the Democrats in promoting a candidate who is so burdened with baggage and open to charges of corruption and expecting people to vote for her simply because she is a woman had something to do with it - any half-way reasonable Dem candidate of any gender or race would have crushed Trump. Clinton wasn't that. I'm not responding to this stuff. Try it with someone else. Thanks for your response. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 8:37:10 GMT
I have no qualms in calling what I see. If that means calling people that voted for someone that has no experience into the most important job in the world stupid then so be it. It is stupid. No way around it. And if Trump supporters didn't want to be called racist, they shouldn't be supporting a candidate that bases so much of his platform on racism and xenophobia. Trump's won because people who voted for Obama last time failed to vote for Clinton this time. Dismissing them is thick racists is unlikely to explain that. Possibly the arrogance of the Democrats in promoting a candidate who is so burdened with baggage and open to charges of corruption and expecting people to vote for her simply because she is a woman had something to do with it - any half-way reasonable Dem candidate of any gender or race would have crushed Trump. Clinton wasn't that. No. The true arrogance is the Democrats who decided not to swallow their pride and back a candidate they didn't like even though she was clearly the least worst option of the two, and therefore better than nothing. Just like Brexit, this election was lost as much by the people who didn't vote as anything else. |
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Post by Jan on Nov 9, 2016 8:59:00 GMT
Trump's won because people who voted for Obama last time failed to vote for Clinton this time. Dismissing them is thick racists is unlikely to explain that. Possibly the arrogance of the Democrats in promoting a candidate who is so burdened with baggage and open to charges of corruption and expecting people to vote for her simply because she is a woman had something to do with it - any half-way reasonable Dem candidate of any gender or race would have crushed Trump. Clinton wasn't that. No. The true arrogance is the Democrats who decided not to swallow their pride and back a candidate they didn't like even though she was clearly the least worst option of the two, and therefore better than nothing. Just like Brexit, this election was lost as much by the people who didn't vote as anything else. That is also true. When Hollywood Liberal royalty like Susan Sarandon say they can't vote for Clinton because she is corrupt then you know you are in trouble. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 9, 2016 8:59:41 GMT
The Americans wanted change. Even if that meant electing a great big ignorant divisive racist sexist impulsive baby, prone to lying every time he opens his mouth. It seems that any candidate using the phrase "making America great again" always wins, even if they offer the exact opposite. I'd join Mark Twain in laughing at the human susceptibility to hucksterism, if this wasn't such a hellishly regressive moment for the world. What fear-based, other-demonising nonsense comes next? If everything comes in threes, please protect me from what comes after Brexit and Trump!  |
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Post by kathryn on Nov 9, 2016 9:07:19 GMT
Kanye 2020 not sounding so ridiculous now.
f***ing hell.
I can't actually believe that the walking cheeto is going to do the actual work of a president - too much hard work, and far too dull - so I guess it's going to be Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich running things.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 9, 2016 9:09:12 GMT
What fear-based, other-demonising nonsense comes next? If everything comes in threes, please protect me from what comes after Brexit and Trump! Le Pen in France. Russia will be taking over the Baltic states. |
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Post by Michael on Nov 9, 2016 9:44:27 GMT
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Post by londonmzfitz on Nov 9, 2016 12:08:16 GMT
So disappointed by this on so many levels.
On the upside -
I believe Trump is all bluff and bluster, and will do absolutely eff all in his term in office.
The main political parties really must now find candidates of a higher calibre for future elections.
I was home yesterday watching Fox News (or as an American friend calls it, Faux News); interviewing people voting, over and over they were saying Trump, one saying "he's such a good businessman". My Nebraskan friend voted with her daughter - her daughter reported one of the polling staff to his supervisor for wearing a Trump baseball cap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 12:40:04 GMT
I mean, people have pointed out in the past that Trump's blustering, when boiled down to actual policies, does at least make him less right-wing than the other Republican possibles.
The problem is that 58 million people think it's the better choice to go for the candidate who has actively stated how he wishes to harm people, and who will shortly be in court for harming people, and who has zero political or military experience. Whatever has led to these 58 million votes, this is what needs to be addressed.
I can't stop thinking of how horrible the Obama-to-Trump inauguration day handover is going to be. America may have been great at some point, but that is going to be a very dark day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 12:47:26 GMT
This contest being now resolved, perhaps we could continue discussion in a new thread?
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Post by Jan on Nov 9, 2016 12:58:56 GMT
What fear-based, other-demonising nonsense comes next? If everything comes in threes, please protect me from what comes after Brexit and Trump! Le Pen in France. Russia will be taking over the Baltic states. Clinton's stated policy of establishing a no-fly zone over Syria when the only planes flying over Syria are the Russian Air Force was likely to cause a more immediate confrontation. I see the two groups which proportionately switched from voting for Obama to not voting for Clinton were African-Americans and voters under 30. Also a majority of white women voted for Trump. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 13:09:49 GMT
I saw this this problem taking shape a few months ago. Everyone was laughing at me when I said Clinton winning mainly red states in the primaries could be a huge problem. No one took that seriously. If you can't win states like Michigan in a Democratic primary, you're looking at trouble. The DNC was so blind to all the signs, I'd almost say they deserved what they got. I hate what happened now, but I told you so.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 9, 2016 13:13:59 GMT
Well, let's hope we were all wrong about Trump being a disaster who will cause chaos, too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 13:18:58 GMT
Well, let's hope we were all wrong about Trump being a disaster who will cause chaos, too. I sincerely hope so. I don't like Cinton, but this has the potential to be much worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 13:44:23 GMT
Scarier still this could more legitimise the rise of the far right in Europe. Let's bloody hope UKIP can't sort out all their infighting
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Post by Snciole on Nov 9, 2016 14:02:24 GMT
Proper SHOCKED to my core stuff initially. In hindsight it is clear Trump wasn't so much seen as the candidate they could trust but the candidate who would bring change. With change comes risk but for many it was better than the alternative of being in the same situation they are now in.
The issue is that people didn't trust Clinton either and the Democrats should hang their hands for setting up primaries so she never had any realistic competition and GOP should be equally ashamed that they have to deal with that man for the next four years.
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Post by DuchessConstance on Nov 9, 2016 14:12:09 GMT
I don't think Trump will do anything disastrous as frankly he seems too lazy and only interested in making money, getting women, and being famous. I don't think he ever wanted to be president or dreamt he'd ever win. He'll coast and let others do the work of running the country.
But him being president does automatically legitimize a lot of racism, sexism, and other bigotry, as well as essentially condoning and promoting rape culture.
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