Cynthia Erivo

Is it a coincidence that EGOT is ego to a t?!

I'm surprised her 'people' haven't told her that she already has the O somehow.

So does that mean the whole cast who performed with her get one as well? She didn't do a solo on that show, the rest of the cast were there aside from Jennifer Hudson and Danielle Brooks...

I don't blame her in the slightest for all the shameless self-promotion, that's clearly what you have to do to move upwards in the celeb world if that's your goal, but I can't help but feel that the EGOT or part thereof has a bit more meaning when performers have won the different awards for different roles and not all for the same one...

And it's a Daytime Emmy not a Primetime Emmy - well no it's actually a Daytime Creative Arts Emmy award which are usually given to the "men and women that work behind the scenes".

However in this case it's an award that was introduced last year and according to the Emmy site "The Award recognizes the work of the Principle Artist and the Program’s production of the performance"

And on this year's press release (page 23) it says:
cdn.emmyonline.org/day_44th_winners_creative.pdf

Outstanding On-Camera Musical Performance in a Daytime Program - Cynthia Erivo and the Cast of The Color Purple - Today Show NBC

So I guess she's right - it is for her as well as the programme.

Whether she should have been so snarky in her tweets - and have added it so quickly to her twitter bio are probably a matter of taste and ego - of which she has the latter in spades and the former........

Oh God love Cynthia. She's got Dean John-Wilson and those delightful pecs at home and she spends most of her time firing off tweets like Donald Trump after a midnight snack. It's a world gone mad.

I think my feelings can be summed up by the fact I unfollowed her on twitter a while ago...!

I thought she was fabulous in TCP and loved her concert earlier in the year, but I'm afraid I've found her increasingly irritating since - a bit of a sense of entitlement/slight boastfulness or superiority appears to have crept in which I don't like. It's a shame, because in debates on major issues I often agree with her, but I have a problem with how she gets her point across sometimes, it's a bit too abrasive and can come across as boastful.

Oh it's a toughie. If I'm just looking at what she's saying, I agree with every single word of it. However she goes about saying these things in a very aggressive fashion.

There's something really unpleasantly public about using the quote-tweet function to have a disagreement-based conversation. If I were tweeting directly to, say, Ryan (hi, Ryan) then only people who followed both of us would see the conversation. If I used the quote-tweet function, then not only would everyone who followed me whether they knew Ryan or not see our conversation, it's also sort of... framed, in a way, like I'm not just replying to him, but like I'm also saying "look at this, guys! Get a load of what this guy said to me!".

It's unpleasantly reminiscent of other famous names (R*cky G*rvais, among others) purposefully dragging someone's tweet up to a level of super-prominence, knowing it would encourage their millions of followers to have a pile on, and the way she does it for seemingly every tweet from this Luke fellow (especially as it's clear without having to click anything that certain of the Erivo faithful have indeed taken it upon themselves to join the pile on) is... it just doesn't sit easy with me.

There are three named speaking female non-Muse roles in Hercules. If one has already dreamcast someone else as Meg, you're down to Hera and Alcmene, both of which are much smaller roles than those of the Muses, though at least stand out as individuals in the way the Muses don't? Anyway, they should probably be played by someone older than Ms Erivo, though you could make a case for Hera being an immortal and thus ageless, I suppose.

I don't know. Dialling it back to just what she's saying, she's got a lot of extremely valid points, I just find the way she's stating them aggressive. And then that leaves me worrying that if perhaps we're perceiving aggression due to her skin tone, as perception of aggression is something that is a genuine concern for people who are darker-skinned than I am (for reference: a bottle of milk is darker-skinned than I am). But then I try to imagine, say, TheatreBoard's own mascot Carrie Hope Fletcher carrying on in such a way, and I wouldn't feel at all bad about calling her aggressive and conceited for using her platform to reject her fans in such a sustained fashion. BUT THEN Carrie Hope Fletcher hasn't been brought up in a society that perceives her as aggressive purely because of her skin tone so wouldn't have felt the need to stop caring about what people say about her in quite the same way as Cynthia Erivo clearly has, so it really would be down to her own inbuilt aggression with no element of racial or societal influence.

I don't know where I'm going with this. I have never interacted with Cynthia Erivo on Twitter and because of the way she is I never will, though because I'm only human I will of course check in and have a look at what she's been saying this time whenever this thread sticks its head up.

She would be an EXCELLENT Muse though. She's absolutely got the talent to really make it into a proper supporting role, not just a glorified mini-ensemble part. And yeah, maybe she should be getting great leading roles that call for talent above skin colour, but that doesn't mean she would consequently make a *terrible* Muse in a fan's *dreamcast* for heaven's sake.

I unfollowed her ages ago, but saw her little exchange about this. I just absolutely detest the way she speaks to her fans. She comes across that she sees herself so far above everyone, that she's going God's work here for us mere mortals on Earth and it feels as if she has absolutely no gratitude and that the world owes her everything as she's giving us her talent. I've never been a Cynthia "superfan" but I've seen her in a multitude of shows, including one of her first, Umbrellas of Cherbourg, and of course I was very impressed, but now I actually feel like I want to actively avoid productions she's in from now on. Her success her certainly gone very much to her head, and there really is no excuse for it as her fame is rather mild, but I think someone in her "team" needs to have a word. I wonder what she's like to work with.

I admit that I'm sure it all probably stems from a place of real struggle, but I just feel like she shouts "racist" and "sexist" as quickly as she can so her followers can pounce. I feel it dilutes her sometimes valid points because she treats those who send abuse the same as those who send her compliments, but then the compliments don't meet her own self-inflated opinions of herself. It means I look and go "oh here she goes again", when she could be totally in the right, but her aggressiveness towards *anyone* who doesn't completely and utterly pander to her ego - and even those who do - a kid put her in his dream cast for crying out loud! - means I stop listening to her completely because it becomes very tedious after a while. I mean, like she cares, but her social media presence just really, *really* grinds my gears.

Oh absolutely. She definitely should always be allowed and should continue to use her platform and voice, I just wish sometimes her choices or intentions were a little better. Which is all completely my problem, not hers, hence my unfollowing her. But yeah, she shouldn't be silenced, or something else that doesn't sound like I just said something straight out of a 1950's gangster movie.

(Oh, and Wiki tells me that Cynthia played Madeleine in Umbrellas. She looked after Guy's aunt and is secretly in love with him, according to the film's plot!)

Once I wrote about her that she's great but a little full of herself and now I'm scared to leave the house in case she has tracked me down

That definitely depends on your definition of abuse. The way this started out definitely wasn't and even by the end I don't think you could class it as abuse.

@baemax has said exactly what I was coming on the thread to say, after spending a bit of yesterday reading it all. Of course she's entitled to, and indeed should use her platform to address issues of racism and sexism, but coming after people in an aggressive manner who from their original tweet seemed to mean no harm isn't the way to do it. (I think I'm right in that the tweet that started it off was a person fairly innocently suggesting her for one of the Muses? which he clearly meant as a compliment to her)

Also this quote-tweet thing yes. I had a nasty experience myself- there's a prominent (by which I mean loud) academic on twitter who has a fairly blind devoted following mainly because anyone who disagrees with her she quote-tweet-shames until her followers also pile on and attack before she then blocks them. It's a nasty approach to disagreements because a) it pulls in potentially 1000s more into an argument that previously only a handful of people would have seen. B) its far easier to twist things because people won't always read back the debate.

Anyway I respect Cynthia as a performer and I'm glad that she's a woman of strong principles BUT I really think she should take a step back and think about the long term impact the way she's going about that is going to have.

I was thinking about this again last night and the more I think about it the more angry I actually get. It's one thing to challenge actual racist/sexist comments that are thrown at her (or anyone else) but it actually really annoys me that someone was trying to say a nice thing 'hey I'd love this actress I love in this show' and got a royal sh*tstorm of abuse (from followers not saying she crossed the line into abuse) and this is also where 'social justice' causes cross a line- he wasn't being racist in any way, simply her I have to say it-arrogance at her own status- took it as an insult and then turned it into a race issue as well. I'm sure it's very easy to perceive something as racial when you've had racial abuse your whole life, but I think she does need to take a long look at how she interacts with people online and how she approaches it. Feel really bad for the poor guy who thought he was just tweeting a fun/nice thing.