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Post by scarpia on Sept 22, 2022 18:48:55 GMT
I don’t think he is as good as Phantom as he was as JVJ (and I thought he was fantastic in Les Mis) but I don’t agree with “awful”. Why is he unsuited? Isn’t that what they said about Michael Crawford? Did anyone say that about Crawford after seeing him in the role?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2022 18:51:10 GMT
I don’t think he is as good as Phantom as he was as JVJ (and I thought he was fantastic in Les Mis) but I don’t agree with “awful”. Why is he unsuited? Isn’t that what they said about Michael Crawford? Yes I agree, he's a brilliant JVJ. And like I said, not the best ever Phantom. But a very good one. He has a strong powerful voice, accurate in pitch and classic MT really, you know. And his acting works for me personally. I don't get "unsuited." The nightly audience in Her/His Majesty's find him rather "suited" one could say! Just opinions really. Preferences if you will. Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto.....
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Post by sukhavati on Sept 27, 2022 0:40:00 GMT
I don’t think he is as good as Phantom as he was as JVJ (and I thought he was fantastic in Les Mis) but I don’t agree with “awful”. Why is he unsuited? Isn’t that what they said about Michael Crawford? Did anyone say that about Crawford after seeing him in the role? I think Crawford was lumbered with the Frank Spencer character at the time he took the role. He did a lot of physically dangerous stuntwork in "Barnum," but I think the theatre going public simply expected it thanks to "Some Mothers." That was still light musical comedy. The tragic Phantom character was a 180 from his typecasting, and I honestly can't think of anyone who actually saw him live as the Phantom who claimed he was unsuited. He was brilliant in the role, definitely worlds apart from Frank Spencer.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 29, 2022 19:26:33 GMT
Will this last long enough for Jaden to even debut? Anyone know when Killian leaves?
Worrying times right now at HM’s.
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Post by og on Sept 29, 2022 20:50:03 GMT
£165 for centre stalls, even on a Monday/Tuesday, erg. Fan of the show but it deserves to close at these prices.
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Post by sukhavati on Sept 30, 2022 8:15:31 GMT
£165 for centre stalls, even on a Monday/Tuesday, erg. Fan of the show but it deserves to close at these prices. For £165 I'd expect a full orchestra and all the moving candelabras plus the original "kritzy kritzy" costumes. And the angel.
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Post by og on Sept 30, 2022 8:34:42 GMT
£165 for centre stalls, even on a Monday/Tuesday, erg. Fan of the show but it deserves to close at these prices. For £165 I'd expect a full orchestra and all the moving candelabras plus the original "kritzy kritzy" costumes. And the angel. For £165 I'd expect Andrew Lloyd Webber sat next to me giving a commentary on the production's history, development and scene-by-scene musical analysis.
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Post by Dr Tom on Sept 30, 2022 8:38:57 GMT
Go for the £30 day seats, released online at 10am each day. They are often in the prime areas.
I don't blame any production for attempting to sell seats at a higher price point first (to the people who can afford to pay, or just have to be seen in the top priced seats), but they're hardly ever going to sell out at those prices.
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Post by scarpia on Sept 30, 2022 21:40:57 GMT
For £165 I'd expect a full orchestra and all the moving candelabras plus the original "kritzy kritzy" costumes. And the angel. For £165 I'd expect Andrew Lloyd Webber sat next to me giving a commentary on the production's history, development and scene-by-scene musical analysis. I'd probably pay that amount to keep him out of sight.
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Post by sukhavati on Oct 4, 2022 3:56:19 GMT
For £165 I'd expect Andrew Lloyd Webber sat next to me giving a commentary on the production's history, development and scene-by-scene musical analysis. I'd probably pay that amount to keep him out of sight. That's it - pay Cammack and ALW to NOT interfere with the original production. Kind of like what used to be called "greenmail" in bad business deals...
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Post by kyvai on Oct 4, 2022 5:58:15 GMT
There are £30 day seats direct and it’s on TKTS every day for £40/£50. No one needs to pay £165 if you don’t want to.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 4, 2022 18:15:36 GMT
Posts removed. Please direct snarkiness to the show if you feel that way, and not at eachother.
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Post by kyvai on Oct 4, 2022 23:23:40 GMT
Thanks :-)
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Post by jm25 on Oct 5, 2022 23:44:42 GMT
After enjoying this so much a few weeks ago, I decided to take my mum to see it tonight as I was able to nab some (slightly) discounted front row seats. She's not a theatregoer but she really enjoyed it! And I reckon I enjoyed it even more the second time around, which I didn't think was possible. There's so much more to take in up close!
Think it was the understudy for Raoul on tonight but he was great, and the lady who plays Carlotta is excellent.
Hard to tell from the front row (!) but the place looked pretty full to me.
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Post by richey on Oct 15, 2022 7:42:40 GMT
Who requested it? These are dreadful!
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Post by richey on Oct 18, 2022 9:47:29 GMT
Booking just extended to September 2023, which seems quite a long period. Hope it's not one of those cases where they're trying to test flagging sales before announcing closure.
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Post by danb on Oct 18, 2022 10:22:49 GMT
I’d say downloads of DJ Webz remixes will have bought it at least another year in London! 🙄
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Post by kyvai on Oct 18, 2022 13:30:37 GMT
Hamilton and Les Mis are booking till next Autumn too, so is Cabaret and Wicked, doesn’t seem too unusual or worrying to me.
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Post by Jon on Oct 18, 2022 14:29:43 GMT
Phantom is a long runner so extending the booking period to next year isn't that much of a worry.
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Post by richey on Oct 18, 2022 14:51:09 GMT
Hamilton and Les Mis are booking till next Autumn too, so is Cabaret and Wicked, doesn’t seem too unusual or worrying to me. Ah ok. Maybe they're all growing a bit more confident post-covid now. It just seemed a big jump as they've only been doing small extensions so far.
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Post by anthony on Oct 23, 2022 19:50:56 GMT
I get where the negativity about Killian comes from. He’s awful. Maybe there have been worse Phantoms, but that’s not the point. He’s totally unsuited to the role. My problem is Killiam is less about vocals and more the fact that he is genuinely an horrendous actor. He cannot act. I saw James Gant back when they had Sunday performance and he was slightly better, but was vocally off several times. I'd have loved to have seen Ashley Stillburn, but I think he only got to perform the role twice and he's now quit acting to train to teach, which is such a shame.
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Post by inthenose on Oct 23, 2022 20:25:13 GMT
I get where the negativity about Killian comes from. He’s awful. Maybe there have been worse Phantoms, but that’s not the point. He’s totally unsuited to the role. My problem is Killiam is less about vocals and more the fact that he is genuinely an horrendous actor. He cannot act. I saw James Gant back when they had Sunday performance and he was slightly better, but was vocally off several times. I'd have loved to have seen Ashley Stillburn, but I think he only got to perform the role twice and he's now quit acting to train to teach, which is such a shame. 100%, Gant’s acting fine, his voice wasn’t exceptional but good. Blown notes, but inhabited the role at least and was “present”. Killian is… a very nice guy, I’m sure.
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Post by 10642 on Oct 24, 2022 8:00:21 GMT
I get where the negativity about Killian comes from. He’s awful. Maybe there have been worse Phantoms, but that’s not the point. He’s totally unsuited to the role. My problem is Killiam is less about vocals and more the fact that he is genuinely an horrendous actor. He cannot act. I saw James Gant back when they had Sunday performance and he was slightly better, but was vocally off several times. I'd have loved to have seen Ashley Stillburn, but I think he only got to perform the role twice and he's now quit acting to train to teach, which is such a shame. I think killian struggles with consistency in this role. I saw him as Valjean numerous times and thought he was excellent vocally and acting wise. Having seen him several times as the Phantom, his performance both vocally and acting varies greatly even after over a year playing it. Occasionally he absolutely knocks it out of the park but quite often it is much more mediocre. James Hume the 2nd cover is amazing in the role, here’s hoping he gets a few more shows this year
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Post by 141920grm on Oct 24, 2022 10:36:28 GMT
James Hume the 2nd cover is amazing in the role, here’s hoping he gets a few more shows this year +1 re Hume- quite simply a magnetic presence! And so tall... If you catch him with Anouk you'll have the vocally best pair of this cast, they're the most classical-sounding compared to others. Hume's rich baritone and fine acting details make him a fascinating watch; though Anouk could put in a bit more acting, her effortless soprano make my ears happy at least...
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Post by inthenose on Oct 24, 2022 14:30:10 GMT
It’s always that same problem in my mind when I’m watching shows where I find the cast underwhelming. I’m thinking to myself; “they have access to basically one of the dream roles in musical theatre history. They have the money and resources to cast almost anyone in the world. Is this person really, truly, the absolute best performer for this part?”
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Post by cezbear on Oct 24, 2022 14:35:51 GMT
It’s always that same problem in my mind when I’m watching shows where I find the cast underwhelming. I’m thinking to myself; “they have access to basically one of the dream roles in musical theatre history. They have the money and resources to cast almost anyone in the world. Is this person really, truly, the absolute best performer for this part?” Oh, this. My train of thought quite often when I'm seeing someone who's fine but... 'really, this was the very best option? Really though?'
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Oct 25, 2022 8:26:55 GMT
What it's really like to play in the orchestra for Phantom, for 30 years It starts at 33 mins.
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Post by danb on Oct 25, 2022 8:55:46 GMT
It’s always that same problem in my mind when I’m watching shows where I find the cast underwhelming. I’m thinking to myself; “they have access to basically one of the dream roles in musical theatre history. They have the money and resources to cast almost anyone in the world. Is this person really, truly, the absolute best performer for this part?” What’s the process though if somebody ‘isn’t working out’? It isn’t misconduct in any way, and is as much the casting directors fault as the actors, surely? How much energy will a resident director expend before they throw in the towel?
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Post by anthony on Oct 25, 2022 9:34:07 GMT
It’s always that same problem in my mind when I’m watching shows where I find the cast underwhelming. I’m thinking to myself; “they have access to basically one of the dream roles in musical theatre history. They have the money and resources to cast almost anyone in the world. Is this person really, truly, the absolute best performer for this part?” What’s the process though if somebody ‘isn’t working out’? It isn’t misconduct in any way, and is as much the casting directors fault as the actors, surely? How much energy will a resident director expend before they throw in the towel? To be honest, as a lot of the current cast are still the reopening cast, it's quite hard to know what, for the fans, isn't working. For example, Greg Castiglioni isn't great as Piangi (he is a wonderful actor/singing, though), so it's hard to know what is new direction for the show/a case of it not working out. In terms of the main criticism of the last few posts, though: his contract was extended, so I guess the thoughts of management is that it is working out?
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Post by danb on Oct 25, 2022 9:35:09 GMT
What’s the process though if somebody ‘isn’t working out’? It isn’t misconduct in any way, and is as much the casting directors fault as the actors, surely? How much energy will a resident director expend before they throw in the towel? To be honest, as a lot of the current cast are still the reopening cast, it's quite hard to know what, for the fans, isn't working. For example, Greg Castiglioni isn't great as Piangi (he is a wonderful actor/singing, though), so it's hard to know what is new direction for the show/a case of it not working out. In terms of the main criticism of the last few posts, though: his contract was extended, so I guess the thoughts of management is that it is working out? I meant generally; in any new cast.
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