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Post by paulbrownsey on Feb 12, 2023 17:18:29 GMT
a generation of audiences now that have not been taught any kind of behaviour or etiquette... It's not just theater, and I'm not sure it's generational. Part of the blame should probably go to the "be yourself" messaging that somehow has been interpreted as "nobody else matters". As a woman raised in the 1950s, I was basically programmed to not impose on others. While this can also be carried to a fault (one doesn't always have to put oneself last), it does give a grounding in being aware of others. The way theatres advertise shows contributes to the problem. Passing the King's Theatre in Glasgow yesterday, I saw a poster for a show that described it as a great "girls' night out". If you're drawn to a show because it presents itself as a "girls' night out", won't you reasonably conclude you can do the things girls do on a night out?--drink and chatter and dance and whoop and call to each other and all the rest? Likewise, the brochure for the King's, Glasgow, says of "The Cher Show": "LET'S GET THE PARTY STARTED!...You'll be spinning in the aisles to the sounds of her biggest hits." I've seen posts in this thread to the effect that some badly-behaved audinece members, when stopped by ushes, complain that what they're doing is "allowed", that they're just having a good time. Don't they have a smidgeon of right on their side, when they could quote advertising like that which I have quoted?
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Post by sfsusan on Feb 12, 2023 17:35:53 GMT
Don't they have a smidgeon of right on their side, when they could quote advertising like that which I have quoted? No question; the advertising is directly sanctioning that behavior. But absent that, people need to be aware of the norms of public behavior in various settings.
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Post by marob on Feb 12, 2023 17:44:39 GMT
Don't they have a smidgeon of right on their side, when they could quote advertising like that which I have quoted? No question; the advertising is directly sanctioning that behavior. But absent that, people need to be aware of the norms of public behavior in various settings. Unfortunately being drunk, noisy and aggressive is part of normal public behaviour here in the UK. (One of the reasons the proposed cutting of on-board train staff has ‘total disaster’ written all over it IMHO.)
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Post by theatregoer22 on Feb 12, 2023 19:14:54 GMT
I've recently got back into going to the theatre and so far I've encountered the following:
At the Garrick for Orlando a stranger was sat in one of the seats I'd booked. As the friend I was meant to go with was unwell and the other seat I had a ticket for was unoccupied, I didn't make a fuss.
At Les Mis at the Sondheim I had noisy eaters a couple of rows in front as well as someone who kept checking the home screen on their phone.
Perhaps unsurprisingly &Juliet at The Shaftesbury Theatre was the worst one so far. I was totally fine with the big group whooping and cheering, but the couple in front of me who kept talking and pouring out wine into glasses mid show were getting on my nerves and I ended up telling them to be quiet. Thankfully they actually stayed silent after that (and stopped pouring the wine) and it didn't stop me absolutely loving the show.
I used to go to the theatre in London fairly regularly between 1999-2008 and aside from telling my Mum to stop singing during one musical (which she didn't take kindly to) I don't recall audience behaviour being so bad, helped by smartphones not being a thing.
Also, not the theatre, but I went to a preview screening of Matilda the Musical as part of the London Film Festival (run by the BFI). Unknown to me when I booked my ticket, the BFI had invited a load of school groups along. Virtually none of the kids were capable of sitting still for two hours, so my focus on the film was distracted by a constant stream of children getting up mid film. I also heard other audience goers had their seats kicked and heard children talking throughout.
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Post by distantcousin on Feb 12, 2023 20:55:25 GMT
No question; the advertising is directly sanctioning that behavior. But absent that, people need to be aware of the norms of public behavior in various settings. Unfortunately being drunk, noisy and aggressive is part of normal public behaviour here in the UK. (One of the reasons the proposed cutting of on-board train staff has ‘total disaster’ written all over it IMHO.)
Sadly, it is. Quite a few people from other countries have made that reflection to me over the years i.e. that in social settings, the British do love to drink A LOT. This is not standard behaviour in most of our neighbouring nations
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Post by stevemar on Feb 14, 2023 21:05:36 GMT
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Post by longinthetooth on Feb 14, 2023 23:27:17 GMT
From Lucinda Coyle on Twitter:
"Please please respect the theatre!! Another stalls fight leading to a show stop at @moulinmusicaluk - @atgtickets staff were incredible but full applause must go to the cast who mid scene simply made the choice to walk off stage and not be shouted over."
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Post by marob on Feb 15, 2023 0:11:15 GMT
Glad to see the tide might be turning, but it’s pretty disingenuous for ATG to point the finger at producers when the main place I see all that ‘dancing in the aisles’ stuff is in their own brochures.
It’s also ATG that make a big deal about their bars or Ambassador Lounges or whatever being open 1 hour+ before the show, and insist on continually trying to upsell seats as some kind of package with alcohol, often being sold by the bottle, with the Kit Kat Klub just taking it to the next level.
They try to sell you alcohol before you’ve even bought the damn ticket. It’s no wonder people treat it like a bar that just happens to have some live entertainment on.
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Post by lolalou on Feb 15, 2023 7:09:04 GMT
Glad to see the tide might be turning, but it’s pretty disingenuous for ATG to point the finger at producers when the main place I see all that ‘dancing in the aisles’ stuff is in their own brochures. It’s also ATG that make a big deal about their bars or Ambassador Lounges or whatever being open 1 hour+ before the show, and insist on continually trying to upsell seats as some kind of package with alcohol, often being sold by the bottle, with the Kit Kat Klub just taking it to the next level. They try to sell you alcohol before you’ve even bought the damn ticket. It’s no wonder people treat it like a bar that just happens to have some live entertainment on. It’s quite the problem if you can’t sit for an hour each act without being double fisted or nose bagging your way through a family bag of crisps. The amount of people who can’t make it through an hour without needing the toilet is ridiculous. Primary school behaviour. I’ve seen people leave during the show and return with another drink. Serve snacks and drinks at the interval. Ban drinks in the auditorium. No one is going to die of dehydration or starvation. Alcohol and its side issues. The solution isn’t rocket science. But the pursuit of the pound means this will never happen. Marking it here - February 15 2023. We will still be talking about this same problem next year. But Colin Marr I hope I’m wrong and you saying ‘enough’ will turn the tide.
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Post by ladidah on Feb 15, 2023 9:24:41 GMT
I would love to see stricter rules. I am naturally an anxious person and I always notice every wandering to get a drink and ruining a song, playing on their phone or whispering. The ushers themselves can be irritating.
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Post by Jon on Feb 15, 2023 12:03:47 GMT
Anyone who suggests removing any sort of revenue generator such as alcohol from theatres would be laughed out of the building.
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Post by sfsusan on Feb 15, 2023 14:59:46 GMT
Anyone who suggests removing any sort of revenue generator such as alcohol from theatres would be laughed out of the building. Unless the producers conducted market research that showed they are losing comparable revenue from people who don't go to the theater because of the disruptive behavior of others. Or have 'party nights' (similar to the relaxed performances already offered) where booze could be consumed in the theater and party behavior was encouraged. Other nights, overconsumption would be monitored and no drinking at seats, with expectations for each disclosed from time of ticket purchase. Maybe attention could be brought to the issue with a catchy label for the troublemakers... how about "loge louts" (after the soccer louts of the early 2000s)?
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Post by lynette on Feb 15, 2023 16:29:36 GMT
When Six was beginning at that tiny Arts Theatre as was, a bloke, not small, came across me to sit in the tight seats with a pint full to the brim in each hand. How he sat down without spilling a drop I don't know. I sat in terror of having beer all over me. But fun thing, show was cancelled cos of back stage accident. Then just recently at Noises Off, couple came to sit next to me with full bottle of red and two glass glasses. Everyone seemed to have a glass of wine. ( yeah, felt a bit left out..) I suppose not much of a problem with a comedy, laughing, and son to mask the chink, gurgle and slurp. But it’s every show/play now isn't it? We have forgotten how to sit, watch and listen without some kind of ‘support’. Someone dropped a glass glass in the aisle- nobody seemed to bother. It rolled about.
I dunno - does it matter? Shows seem to want our participation, our relaxed behaviour; there is a desperate need for serious theatre to attract young people so making the evening an alcoholic party seems to be the way forward. Kids’ shows demand noise, reaction and dancing. So we grow up expecting theatre to be participatory and loud. Like discos/clubs/all other young people stuff. If actors don’t train the kids how to behave, how will they know?
I take in water in case I get a cough.
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Post by NorthernAlien on Feb 15, 2023 20:52:25 GMT
I take in water in case I get a cough. You're doing well - some places the security on the doors will take bottles of water off you.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Feb 16, 2023 17:07:47 GMT
I'm reminded of the Palladium's Pantoland (aka the Donny Osmond Show). When Donny entered and sang his first number, a woman in the front row defied all the efforts of the FOH staff to stop filming. As Donny worked his way across the stage, he saw her, stopped in front of her, waved and said 'hi there' - thus condoning her filming and giving her a virtually personalised video. What can you do? I had a front row for this, both for Donny's birthday (9th December, aka Opening Night) and the last performance (no camera, honest - I had an actual broken arm and couldn't do my own jeans up, but that might be another story for Bad Behaviour at a Show from someone else). It was a bit special for us UK fans of the feller to have him in here for a solid booking, albeit Panto. There is a lot of oneupmanship amongst the fans, UK and US, as to who can get the best videos, and it is disappointing some fans become blinkered when the bloke is in front of them. Claims from the group of women next to us at both shows, in the same seats, who'd seen it dozens of times by the end of the run, that "Donny would be disappointed if they were not there". Sense of entitlement sure. But seriously, if you were at the other end of a smile or a wave (and were a woman of a certain age) you'd feel that buzz right down to your toes. Donny is performing in Vegas, and cameras shots are shared widely. I guess he gets used to it.
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Feb 17, 2023 0:38:15 GMT
WHY do they sell crisps or popcorn at the theatre. Someone nearby loudly crunching their way through a tin of crisps during Valjean's Soliloquy and another person with their phone on full brightness scrolling through messages during Act 1.
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Post by joem on Feb 17, 2023 1:11:49 GMT
This is at the theatre rather than the show itself but I hope the self-important prig who wouldn't allow a lady trying to get to the toilet to pass because he was perusing an old fifties theatre poster and waved for her to go behind him (there was no space) is sleeping soundly tonight. He must be so proud of himself. I hope to see him in nursery when he grows up a bit.
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Post by lynette on Feb 17, 2023 20:41:10 GMT
I take in water in case I get a cough. You're doing well - some places the security on the doors will take bottles of water off you. Bless, not the venues I frequent. But I will practise my indignant old woman act just in case..
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Post by richey on Feb 20, 2023 15:04:07 GMT
So I've just booked for JCS at Manchester Palace and noticed an extra paragraph in the booking confirmation that I'd not seen before:
"We request that you show consideration to your fellow audience members by ensuring that the only entertainment comes from the professionals on stage. Anti-social behaviour towards staff or other customers will not be tolerated and will result in you being asked to leave the venue."
Good to see that ATG are finally acknowledging there's an audience problem.
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Post by paulbrownsey on Feb 20, 2023 19:26:48 GMT
Letter from Walter Paul (well-known in theatre circles in Glasgow) in The Herald newspaper, Glasgow:
I WAS angry and depressed to read Brian Beacom's article with regard to the behaviour of theatre audiences in Glasgow and Edinburgh ("Whatever happened to once-polite Scots theatre audiences?", The Herald, February 14). I have always loved the theatre, be it as an audience member, a director, a performer, a "techie" or a front-of-house assistant. I saw my first theatre performance of Peter Pan at Glasgow's King's Theatre at the age of four, and likewise my first Gilbert and Sullivan opera at the Theatre Royal thanks to my mum and dad; they introduced me to the world of theatre, they bought tickets for me and my sister to join them and see wonderful performances of every type. I loved it. And I was educated by them – on what to do in the theatre, how to appreciate every member of staff, from box-office assistants helping me to buy tickets to usherettes and ushers helping me to my seat; how to behave and when to applaud; even, as I grew older, to occasionally leave a performance if I did not enjoy what was happening onstage, but to leave at the interval so that I did not disturb or annoy other members of the audience. The horrendous incidents which Mr Beacom reported sadly reflect our society just now, too, where in some instances our day to day lives are led by self-centred and ignorant people in positions of authority who attempt to tell us how to behave, but who in many cases have no intelligence nor common sense. Certainly from what Mr Beacom and others say, the Ambassador Theatre Group must take some blame for audiences' behaviour in their theatres – ban drinking if customers do not know how to behave, ban drinking inside the theatre space itself, employ more house staff who have the power to immediately evict the horrible, ignorant and selfish people who now seem to be attending theatres, especially musicals, and ban them from all future shows when they attempt to book seats. Please educate from a young age, by teaching basic manners, basic good behaviour, basic general knowledge – and introduce not only youngsters who are our future theatre audiences, but also the current audiences for every type of performance, to the wonders of the theatre, and more importantly how to behave and respect this unique experience. Walter Paul, Glasgow
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Post by profquatermass on Feb 22, 2023 11:12:03 GMT
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Post by marob on Feb 23, 2023 21:11:30 GMT
I think there was a half-hearted attempt at a pre-show announcement this afternoon at the ATG-owned Liverpool Empire. Right before the start of the show they played a recording, like in cinemas where the ringtones build to a crescendo and they tell you to turn your phone off. Except that the Empire only played three. And that was it. No actual announcement, just three ringtones and straight into the overture. And it wasn’t even that loud so I doubt most people even noticed.
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Post by longinthetooth on Feb 23, 2023 23:34:45 GMT
Who knew Les Mis was a comedy? It was musical chairs in the Dress circle this afternoon.
Let's call the seats 1,2,3,4,5,6 (even though they weren't). In seats 1 & 2 at the end of the row, two Little Old Ladies. They didn't seem happy. Along come a Tall Man and wife, who take seats 3 & 4. At this point, seats 5 & 6 are empty. Meanwhile, in my row, directly behind this lot, three people arrive, who take the seats next to me. They have a Spare man with them. It transpires that my neighbours had fallen foul of the No Single Seat rule, so their Spare man friend couldn't buy one of the two empty seats in front. However, he had purchased a perfectly good seat further along, in the middle of the row (but wanted to be near his friends). He asked the usher if he could sit in one of the empty seats. At this point, the Little Old Ladies staked a claim, maintaining they had been there first and couldn't see very well from their seats, so could they move? The usher called for back up and FOH appeared with an Ipad. He then confirmed that unfortunately for all concerned the two empty seats had been sold. Spare man reluctantly made his way to his (much better) seat. Suddenly, just as the opening music started, the Little Old Ladies and Tall man and wife all stood up and started seat swapping. Tall man had taken pity on them and let them move into 3 & 4 to get a slightly better view.
Tall man and wife are now in 1 & 2, but unfortunately for me he blocked out a third of the stage for me. Oh well, can't be helped. Then, about 20 minutes in, there was another kerfuffle, when Little Old Ladies decided to move into the still vacant seats 5 & 6, whereupon Tall man and wife moved back into 3 & 4, only in reverse of their original positions. Lucky me, now I had an uninterrupted view.
Come the interval, Spare man (remember him?) came back to talk to his friend next to me, and decided he would now relocate to seat 1, just to be closer (vacating a great seat in the middle).
The rest of the afternoon went swimmingly, if you don't count the inevitable sweet bag rustling during I Dreamed a Dream and Bring Him Home, the non-stop checking of one of those light up watches, and a flash photograph being taken just as Eponine was expiring in Marius's arms.
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Post by A.Ham on Feb 24, 2023 8:26:58 GMT
I’m at Les Mis tonight, funnily enough in the dress circle at the end of a row - if any of this happens I’ll certainly be asking them to just sit down and be quiet! 😡
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Post by starlight92 on Feb 25, 2023 17:52:23 GMT
Today at Frozen, two people arrived a good 15-20 minutes late, then talked and rustled their way through popcorn and other assorted snacks and sweets 🤦♀️
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