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May 29, 2024 12:10:12 GMT
Post by Phantom of London on May 29, 2024 12:10:12 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will - this being said by someone who went to a very good school, but conversely the media is the last bastion in democracy and free speech.
So today’s announcement that the Evening Standard is to become a weekly newspaper, for me is very strange and is one of London’s great institutions, albeit owned by a Russian oil baron.
They say people under 40 don’t carry cash and read printed journalism.
A weekly newspaper isn’t a ‘news’paper.
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May 29, 2024 12:28:00 GMT
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Post by alece10 on May 29, 2024 12:28:00 GMT
I just don't think people read the ES anymore. Time was when you were commuting home everyone was reading it, now you seldom see a person with one, most are just on their phones. If I'm out late at the theatre when I get back to my home station there are hundreds of copies still there so also bad for the environment. And it's a bit of a biased right wing paper.
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Post by kathryn on May 29, 2024 12:54:33 GMT
It hasn’t made money for years. It’s only still running as an influence-project for the proprietor, which is much less effective with the Ukraine situation.
We need good journalism and a free press in this country as much as ever. But the ES was not providing that anyway, so no great loss.
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Post by jojo on May 29, 2024 13:08:37 GMT
I too am torn on this. On one hand I am more than aware of the limitations and prejudices of the Standard and most other papers. However, I think having a range and choice of print media is healthy. A means of employing actual journalists, who can learn their trade and not rely on copy writing adverts is a good thing.
Even if someone reads a single paper every day, and that paper is as unashamedly focused on a particular world view as the Daily Mail, if they read more than a handful of stories from it, they are probably better read and have more awareness of a range of issues than a lot of people who complain about MSM bias, and instead get their news from a carefully curated social media bubble.
But as you say Kathryn, the ES has turned into a mouthpiece for its owner, with a mix of political propaganda and advertorial, so I'll not bother mourning its demise. I can't see any date for the switch, which I'm guessing will be after the election. Would it be overly cynical to think they were holding off in the hope of influencing it one last time?
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Jun 1, 2024 9:33:12 GMT
Post by lynette on Jun 1, 2024 9:33:12 GMT
Papers come and go. I used to adore that Time Out printed thing in the early days, then it just declined. There is I think, room for a recyclable print out for Londoners for the latest in what’s on that day and a bit of journalism but prob not viable.
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Post by Jan on Jun 1, 2024 10:13:15 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will Curious you would choose the Daily Mail as an example when the Guardian is the obvious example of every single thing you mention - for example over 50% of their journalists are privately educated even though that is exactly the sort of identity politics issue the Guardian tends to be bothered about. Maybe you are a Guardian reader and so have been controlled by them to criticise the Daily Mail and their readers instead ? Or maybe people just read the newspapers that reflect views they already have and there's no "control" involved at all.
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Jun 1, 2024 10:23:48 GMT
Post by Jan on Jun 1, 2024 10:23:48 GMT
It hasn’t made money for years. It’s only still running as an influence-project for the proprietor, which is much less effective with the Ukraine situation. We need good journalism and a free press in this country as much as ever. But the ES was not providing that anyway, so no great loss. We need a free press - no, not that free press.
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Jun 2, 2024 13:42:29 GMT
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Post by mkb on Jun 2, 2024 13:42:29 GMT
I very much embrace the current regulatory requirement -- albeit that it is very poorly enforced -- for radio and tv news to be balanced and fair.
The term "free press" is banded about as some Utopian ideal, but, in practice, it largely means the freedom of those with wealth to garner greater influence. What it ought to mean is the right to report accurately free of state interference. It should not mean the right to spread misinformation.
I am not sure how to improve matters, especially since most influence now comes via electronic media, but, as a start, I would require all newspapers to be registered as such if they wished to continue to be free of VAT, with a requirement that their news reporting adhere to the same standards as tv/radio. Those that wish to continue to be propaganda arms of political parties can pay VAT.
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Jun 2, 2024 19:51:36 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 2, 2024 19:51:36 GMT
Something I am conflicted about is the press and the downsizing of the media. I don’t like how the press control how people think, you really can tell people who read the Daily Mail and how they shape peoples opinions and majority of journalists are public school educated and they use the media to harness their own eco bubble, the old school tie if you will Curious you would choose the Daily Mail as an example when the Guardian is the obvious example of every single thing you mention - for example over 50% of their journalists are privately educated even though that is exactly the sort of identity politics issue the Guardian tends to be bothered about. Maybe you are a Guardian reader and so have been controlled by them to criticise the Daily Mail and their readers instead ? Or maybe people just read the newspapers that reflect views they already have and there's no "control" involved at all. My Nan was a dyed in the wool Blue Tory Daily Mail reader from Chichester. Read it for eighty years. But she loved John Pilger. Get your head around that. Adored Pilge and the Mail??!!
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Jun 2, 2024 19:52:15 GMT
Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 2, 2024 19:52:15 GMT
It hasn’t made money for years. It’s only still running as an influence-project for the proprietor, which is much less effective with the Ukraine situation. We need good journalism and a free press in this country as much as ever. But the ES was not providing that anyway, so no great loss. We need a free press - no, not that free press. Exactly
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Post by kathryn on Jun 2, 2024 21:55:29 GMT
Of course there are different definitions of ‘a free press’.
There is free from government control - which we do have - but there’s also editorial independence from wealthy owners.
The ES does not have that. It is the influence and propaganda project of a Russian oligarch.
Of course the Murdoch-owned papers are the same - The Sun is officially a loss-making paper, it’s only still going because it provides disproportionate political influence as a lingering legacy of the days when it was the most-read newspaper in the country.
If you think the press in this country are actually a functioning element of a healthy democracy, you’re dreaming.
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Jun 3, 2024 18:21:44 GMT
Post by Phantom of London on Jun 3, 2024 18:21:44 GMT
The Daily Express is owned by the Mirror Group (Reach) which is a Labour supporting company, however the readers of the Daily Express are the oldest demographic of any newspapers, the Daily Express cannot switch to Labour as their readership is right wing. But here is the rub they don’t have to, they can just push the Reform Party, thereby splitting the Tory vote, which will benefit the Labour Party.
Politics is a strange business.
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