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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 18, 2024 15:37:51 GMT
My postal ballot landed on the door mat this morning.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 20, 2024 11:18:48 GMT
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Post by Rory on Jun 20, 2024 11:25:08 GMT
Everything the Tories touch turns to sh*t! Not just in the rivers. We've all had more than enough. |
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Post by aspieandy on Jun 20, 2024 11:58:27 GMT
It's as if they are unaware sleaze is not the default. It was the same in the lead up to 1997.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 20, 2024 23:09:50 GMT
How many more nails does Rishi want to put into his own coffin, I just hope that James Graham is busy writing! A website I look at electionmaps.uk/nowcast shows that the Tories are on 88 seats and the Liberals are on 67 with many tight seats. With the mad Ed Davey having fun on the campaign, you just know he is going to throw himself out of an aircraft before the election. Where he will win more marginal seats. It is over for the Tories, His Majesty’s opposition is going to be the Liberals. |
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Post by kate8 on Jun 21, 2024 6:57:15 GMT
I had been considering Labour but found out our candidate lives 80 miles away. Find it hard to vote for someone not living in the local area Why not contact her/him and ask if they plan to move to the constituency after the election? I do agree that candidates should live locally once elected, but it’s a massive commitment to make beforehand, especially if they have a partner and/or children. |
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Post by justsaying113 on Jun 21, 2024 9:40:38 GMT
Same circus, different clowns - that's exactly what we'll get.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 22, 2024 13:29:48 GMT
A panellist on bbcaq raised the point about how little focus there had been on arts policy so far.
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Post by parsley1 on Jun 22, 2024 14:44:35 GMT
A panellist on bbcaq raised the point about how little focus there had been on arts policy so far. I am sorry to say I don’t think it’s a priority at the moment And most people would agree Just being honest and realistic |
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Post by crowblack on Jun 22, 2024 15:46:06 GMT
Even the most arts-averse politicians must be aware of the considerable role they play in the economy, in making especially urban environments desirable places to live and visit, in the soft power of cultural influence at home and abroad etc. In my own family, a generation and more ago we were engineers, blue collar workers - those jobs and factories have mostly gone and many of my relatives my age and younger work in the arts. I worked at a film / digital training centre years ago and wondered if we were giving the young people being taught unrealistic expectations, but now the tv and film industry in my home city is doing well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2024 19:13:40 GMT
Even the most arts-averse politicians must be aware of the considerable role they play in the economy, in making especially urban environments desirable places to live and visit, in the soft power of cultural influence at home and abroad etc. In my own family, a generation and more ago we were engineers, blue collar workers - those jobs and factories have mostly gone and many of my relatives my age and younger work in the arts. I worked at a film / digital training centre years ago and wondered if we were giving the young people being taught unrealistic expectations, but now the tv and film industry in my home city is doing well. They may be aware, but in terms of convincing voters that they are the party to vote for, it is going to be way down the list, the NHS, the borders, taxes / money in your pocket are much more important topics for voters than investing in the arts. |
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Post by parsley1 on Jun 22, 2024 20:26:25 GMT
Even the most arts-averse politicians must be aware of the considerable role they play in the economy, in making especially urban environments desirable places to live and visit, in the soft power of cultural influence at home and abroad etc. In my own family, a generation and more ago we were engineers, blue collar workers - those jobs and factories have mostly gone and many of my relatives my age and younger work in the arts. I worked at a film / digital training centre years ago and wondered if we were giving the young people being taught unrealistic expectations, but now the tv and film industry in my home city is doing well. Plenty of arts facilities survive without public handouts People are willing to pay £200+ for Taylor Swift and the current monstrosity that is R&J I bet if I asked them £200 to pay for a soft tissue injury we would not hear the end of their moaning |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 22, 2024 20:37:18 GMT
Even the most arts-averse politicians must be aware of the considerable role they play in the economy, in making especially urban environments desirable places to live and visit, in the soft power of cultural influence at home and abroad etc. In my own family, a generation and more ago we were engineers, blue collar workers - those jobs and factories have mostly gone and many of my relatives my age and younger work in the arts. I worked at a film / digital training centre years ago and wondered if we were giving the young people being taught unrealistic expectations, but now the tv and film industry in my home city is doing well. I bet if I asked them £200 to pay for a soft tissue injury we would not hear the end of their moaning Nothing that a Kleenex cannot sort out. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 22, 2024 20:50:26 GMT
I don't think I have ever been so depressed at the state of UK politics.
We have a Conservative Party that is no longer fit for purpose. Whatever your views about their policies, the party has been the party of government for decades. They have lost the right to be considered.
We have a Labour Party that is refusing to stick by their founding principles and just relying on not being the Tories to win. That they will do with ease and end up with the largest majority in modern history. But that isn't through proposing a positive agenda or capturing the imagination of the public. For a party about to run the country there is no enthusiasm surrounding them. And no clear idea what they will really do with a super majority. They can't claim much of a meaningful mandate as they have a very thick manifesto with little detail.
Then we have the LDs who are relying on stunts to get attention. They still have no real identity other than being pro Europe. And that isn't going to sweep them to power.
Reform is not a serious party. It is a vanity project that is attracting bigots. Farage is deeply unpleasant and has objectionable friends.
The Greens leadership partnership is not working for them. They should be making bigger strides but they aren't. They are not able to convince as a credible alternative left wing option. They have lots of internal problems in terms of antisemitism and gender politics.
Locally my only other option is the SDP. And given they are running a pact with Reform, that is a non starter.
I can't vote for any of them. Oh to have a None of the Above option... If that won a given seat then all candidates would be dismissed and a new election called with fresh candidates.
That would focus a few minds...
(And I know this isn't ever going to happen)
All I can do is spoil my paper. Feels futile but I don't support enough of what is being put forward to vote for any of them.
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Post by parsley1 on Jun 22, 2024 21:15:36 GMT
I don't think I have ever been so depressed at the state of UK politics. We have a Conservative Party that is no longer fit for purpose. Whatever your views about their policies, the party has been the party of government for decades. They have lost the right to be considered. We have a Labour Party that is refusing to stick by their founding principles and just relying on not being the Tories to win. That they will do with ease and end up with the largest majority in modern history. But that isn't through proposing a positive agenda or capturing the imagination of the public. For a party about to run the country there is no enthusiasm surrounding them. And no clear idea what they will really do with a super majority. They can't claim much of a meaningful mandate as they have a very thick manifesto with little detail. Then we have the LDs who are relying on stunts to get attention. They still have no real identity other than being pro Europe. And that isn't going to sweep them to power. Reform is not a serious party. It is a vanity project that is attracting bigots. Farage is deeply unpleasant and has objectionable friends. The Greens leadership partnership is not working for them. They should be making bigger strides but they aren't. They are not able to convince as a credible alternative left wing option. They have lots of internal problems in terms of antisemitism and gender politics. Locally my only other option is the SDP. And given they are running a pact with Reform, that is a non starter. I can't vote for any of them. Oh to have a None of the Above option... If that won a given seat then all candidates would be dismissed and a new election called with fresh candidates. That would focus a few minds... (And I know this isn't ever going to happen) All I can do is spoil my paper. Feels futile but I don't support enough of what is being put forward to vote for any of them. 😰 |
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Post by londonmzfitz on Jun 23, 2024 0:54:01 GMT
I've had 3 leaflets from Reform UK through the door, two hand delivered and one through Royal Mail - first two ripped and binned, and I've promised myself I'll donate £10 to RNLI for every Reform UK leaflet I get. The third leaflet I'm holding on to, it's a doozy! -
The back of the leaflet shows "REFORM UK's 6-POINT PLAN TO STOP THE BOATS.
1. Declare a National Security Threat
2. Leave the European Convention on Human Rights
3. Confirm that Zero Illegals will be resettled in the UK
4. Create a new Dept. of Immigration staffed by believers
5. Pick up and take them back to France
6. Set up offshore processing centres
Leaflet is Richard Tice. He's in my Village on Monday afternoon, with - Anne Widdecombe! I'll post the rest of that leaflet tomorrow if I get a chance.
A leaflet from Nigel Farage through the post today, separate envelope was a thanks from the RNLI for the donation made earlier this week. Another £10 tomorrow going to them.
*Staffed by believers. I mean, holy crap! How is this not making news? My local facebook is full of Reform UK supporters.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 23, 2024 1:08:11 GMT
I disagree this election is bland and it has made me feel rejuvenated, never have I seen the Tories being pulled from both the right and left, which will mean a whooping majority for Labour and the Liberal Democrat’s are set to become the official opposition. I will either vote Labour or Liberal Democrats I am happy to vote either depending on who is the strongest in my constituency, so my vote therefore is neither Labour or Democrats, but simply a vote to to get the Tories out.
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Post by vdcni on Jun 23, 2024 7:54:42 GMT
Supermajority has a specific meaning which does not apply in the UK in this election. Depressing to see people just blindly repeat Tory nonsense.
Yeah Labour aren't super inspiring but after the last 14 years getting rid of the Tories is all the inspiration I need to vote.
I'll probably still have a Tory MP as I'm in a rare seat where there's no clear rival to the sitting MP as the Lib Dems and Labour were pretty much neck and neck in second last time.
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 23, 2024 11:56:35 GMT
Just out of interest what is your constituency?
I was in true blue Chichester yesterday to see Harold Pinter’s Caretaker, Chichester in the last election had a thumping 23,000 majority, well that is on a knife edge now with it tipped to go yellow, with dreadful news in Chichester this week it will now flip, I heard several groups of people talk about what happened, Chichester being typically true blue, bad news around Chichester like wildfire.
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Post by blamerobots on Jun 23, 2024 11:57:52 GMT
Photobombed in my Tory MP's leaflet today!  Where do I sue... I don't model unless I'm paid upfront, in cash, I learned that the hard way.... |
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Post by vdcni on Jun 23, 2024 12:10:02 GMT
Just out of interest what is your constituency? I was in true blue Chichester yesterday to see Harold Pinter’s Caretaker, Chichester in the last election had a thumping 23,000 majority, well that is on a knife edge now with it tipped to go yellow, with dreadful news in Chichester this week it will now flip, I heard several groups of people talk about what happened, Chichester being typically true blue, bad news around Chichester like wildfire. Runnymede and Weybridge |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 23, 2024 12:47:56 GMT
Okay thanks for that and this is very interesting as everything around you is going yellow and it is very possible Runnymede and Weybridge will flip. Looking on election map, there is only 1.4% between Liberals and Tories, which is a difference of 544 votes electionmaps.uk/nowcast, A Survation poll shows a Tory majority of 2.4% www.survation.com/mrp-update-first-mrp-since-farages-return/. So with the betting scandal, traditional Tory voters will either go Liberal/Reform/stay at home throwing. I expect this to tighten and in a fortnight year seat could be yellow. |
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Post by aspieandy on Jun 23, 2024 13:29:52 GMT
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Post by vdcni on Jun 23, 2024 14:59:05 GMT
Okay thanks for that and this is very interesting as everything around you is going yellow and it is very possible Runnymede and Weybridge will flip. Looking on election map, there is only 1.4% between Liberals and Tories, which is a difference of 544 votes electionmaps.uk/nowcast, A Survation poll shows a Tory majority of 2.4% www.survation.com/mrp-update-first-mrp-since-farages-return/. So with the betting scandal, traditional Tory voters will either go Liberal/Reform/stay at home throwing. I expect this to tighten and in a fortnight year seat could be yellow. Yeah I'm a bit skeptical about the ones saying Lib Dem are the main challengers. Labour have been second in every election except one since the seat was created and they are the ones who have been making the bigger gains at council level. It's quite a split constituency so I think it's hard to predict. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jun 23, 2024 18:19:29 GMT
As a lifelong Labour supporter, if I lived in Weybridge & Runnymeade, I be voting Lib Dem. If the Libs did take that seat I would say they’re going on to form the opposition, I say it is the bellwether seat for the Libs. I get the impression your area are City types, who are also generally Tory but remainers, which is perfect for the Libs. You are always going to get your jingoistic true blue. It is important for people to vote Libs than Labour in your seat.
Never in a million years I would have thought Surrey Heath, Epsom & Ewell and Godalming & Ash are predicted to go yellow
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