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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 10:26:57 GMT
If anyone thinks they're on the beach in Antalya then it's probably your good friend... pichahaha. |
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Post by jadnoop on Sept 4, 2019 16:47:18 GMT
In all honesty, I think it's unfortunate that the photo of JRM is getting so much traction. For now, there's the none-too-subtle message behind the memes, which is arguably a good thing. However, I suspect that this is just preaching to the converted. And pretty soon all that will be left is something that can be framed (to those who don't already know what kind of person he is) as a photo of someone sticking it to those snobs in parliament.
In any case, rather than being 'slumped from not caring', the photo looks (at least to me) like someone trying desperately hard to look carefree. Like that etonian equivalent of the sweaty, awkward & slightly creepy guy at the back of the party silently drinking beers by themselves, who imagines themselves as being some cool, intense & detached Clint Eastwood type.
Anyhow, if you want a picture of Jacob showing his contempt for the nation and parliament, any photo will do. It really doesn't need to be of him slouching like a child.
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 4, 2019 17:24:34 GMT
As Harold Wilson said “a week in politics is a long time,” at the moment a day is an eternity.
Could a grand coalition be formed and become the next Her Majestey’s government?
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Sept 4, 2019 17:39:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 17:39:19 GMT
In all honesty, I think it's unfortunate that the photo of JRM is getting so much traction. For now, there's the none-too-subtle message behind the memes, which is arguably a good thing. However, I suspect that this is just preaching to the converted. And pretty soon all that will be left is something that can be framed (to those who don't already know what kind of person he is) as a photo of someone sticking it to those snobs in parliament. In any case, rather than being 'slumped from not caring', the photo looks (at least to me) like someone trying desperately hard to look carefree. Like that etonian equivalent of the sweaty, awkward & slightly creepy guy at the back of the party silently drinking beers by themselves, who imagines themselves as being some cool, intense & detached Clint Eastwood type. Anyhow, if you want a picture of Jacob showing his contempt for the nation and parliament, any photo will do. It really doesn't need to be of him slouching like a child. Oh absolutely agree on this. It's the blithe body language that comes when you always get what you want but things aren't going your way. I, however, am glad it is getting the rounds and some deserved attention. There have been previously semi-viral images from Parliament of dozing Politicians etc, that have gained some traction but nothing in the likes of this. This demonstrates an utterly different attitude and anything that can be done to further sully his reputation, I wholly commend. |
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Sept 4, 2019 17:48:19 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 4, 2019 17:48:19 GMT
Coalition unlikely, focus is getting the No-Deal Bill through and ratified, House is almost finished, issue the time to discuss the 200 amendments in the Lords, indications is that they will sit all night if required to get it through by Friday.
Definitely will be an election, timing is the question, tonight’s vote for an election will be defeated.
Three scenarios
- Agree election after the Bill is on the statute books on Monday and therefore some time in October.
- once the Bill has been enacted i.e Johnson gets to put together a Deal by the 17th and if not extend Article 50 to January, this will lead to an election after the 31st Oct and No-Deal exit on the 31st Oct impossible.
- A call of no confidence, 2 weeks to find a coalition, if failed election in November per usual timelines. This needs the support of the expelled Tories who will not make Corbyn Prime Minister and Corbyn will not accept anyone else and is why I think a coalition is unlikely.
Another good day in College Green, less Brexiteers than expected even less than Yesterday who you would have thought would mobilise as the Remainers/No-Dealers are now in the driving seat.
Now off to the Theatre/Church to see a leader who rises to power, gets consumed by his actions and meets an unceremonious ending
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 4, 2019 18:58:13 GMT
Today, potentially my last day in College Green, it has been an interesting Week and have learnt a lot about the process of British Government. If we go for an election I think the opposition Parties need to include in their manifesto’s another referendum as Parliament is unable to resolve the issue with at least the following options and give a foundation for us to heal the open wounds generated by the last referendum. - Leave with May’s Deal- Leave without a Deal - Remain in Europe The wording, implications and statistical gates need to be clearly defined and the result ratified not debated. The only caveat and there are rumours that the withdrawal Agreement (May’s Deal) will be resurrected and voted for in Parliament and the General Election will be after we have left the EU. We can still leave on the 31st, will be interesting to see how Johnson handles this, can he now recommend it to his Party, if he refuses he will be seen as the one who stopped us from leaving. It was mentioned earlier in the Post, who needs Theatre when we have the current Political landscape, feel like I have lived the Henry VI’s over the last week. Hang on a sec, Corbyn could be prime minister. Why would he put May's deal on the ballot paper? Get over to Brussels and renegotiate |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 4, 2019 20:19:02 GMT
Somebody tweeted Theresa May today congratulating her on no longer being the worst prime minister ever
Are you having that Pat?
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Sept 4, 2019 20:19:11 GMT
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 4, 2019 20:19:11 GMT
My mistake a Deal.
Ironically we could end up with May’s Deal as if the error (add conspiracy here) gives MP’s a vote on May’s Deal,can Johnson turn it down as if No-Deal is not an option, he does not have one, he has to agree as he has said we leave on the 31st no matter what.
Voting against it will mean he is responsible for us not leaving.
Not sure on the Maths m, all Tories and expelled plus a few Labour leavers should give a majority.
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Sept 4, 2019 21:20:03 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Sept 4, 2019 21:20:03 GMT
Hang on a minute, folks. Are we actually saying here that we don't want the right to have a say in our country's future? And that we trust politicians to do our thinking for us? This is the one vote in ages that actually feels like it means something. That we can actually affect the outcome of in a meaningful way for once. I have to say it is frustrating seeing some people say they want their MP to decide for 'us' (after a referendum), esp.when so often it is the MPs self-interest that determines how they vote. Well, that or they may have switched parties or, increasingly, been disowned by their constituencies or the party leadership.
I'm guessing we are now past #stopthecoup given Parliament is blocking the General Election proposed by the coup leader.
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Sept 4, 2019 21:28:01 GMT
Post by Phantom of London on Sept 4, 2019 21:28:01 GMT
Hang on a minute, folks. Are we actually saying here that we don't want the right to have a say in our country's future? And that we trust politicians to do our thinking for us? This is the one vote in ages that actually feels like it means something. That we can actually affect the outcome of in a meaningful way for once. I have to say it is frustrating seeing some people say they want their MP to decide for 'us' (after a referendum), esp.when so often it is the MPs self-interest that determines how they vote. Well, that or they may have switched parties or, increasingly, been disowned by their constituencies or the party leadership.
I'm guessing we are now past #stopthecoup given Parliament is blocking the General Election proposed by the coup leader.
All this stems from Theresa May calling a fatal election and promising to deliever Brexit. Uneasy lies the head, that wears the crown. |
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 4, 2019 21:50:06 GMT
How many days ago was Owen Jones, etc urging people to drop everything, protect democracy by rushing to College Green or block their nearest bridge, or organise for a national strike in order to protest against the coup. 2 days, maybe 3? Social media stark raving bonkers - and making fortunes from it. But 3 days later it's all forgotten, lets move on to the next manufactured hysteria #cha-ching
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 4, 2019 22:05:28 GMT
College Green has been busy all week, a great and welcoming atmosphere on the whole.
A surprisingly large gathering in Parliament Square tonight, every day this week traffic has been disrupted, (a lovely walk over Lambeth Bridge and back over Westminster Bridge last night) also believe there have been many Demonstrations held throughout the Country.
Having been there most days the past week it has been surprising how little coverage if any it has had on mainstream media, makes me wonder what else is being overlooked.
The sadness in all this is that my focus has been on suspending Parliament for Political gain and this appears to be the case, with the hurdles to the No-Deal Bill in the Lords the Bill might not have enough time to become law before Johnson closes Parliament 2 days early on Monday.
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Post by londonpostie on Sept 4, 2019 22:20:17 GMT
I go past it as many days as not. College Green has been busy for 15 months, and on-and-off for over two years.
However, even when it's 'busy' that means 200-300 people becasue it's a small area. More often than not, the public is restricted becasue of the bloody gazebos.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 22:42:14 GMT
I have to say it is frustrating seeing some people say they want their MP to decide for 'us' (after a referendum), esp.when so often it is the MPs self-interest that determines how they vote. Well, that or they may have switched parties or, increasingly, been disowned by their constituencies or the party leadership.
I'm guessing we are now past #stopthecoup given Parliament is blocking the General Election proposed by the coup leader.
All this stems from Theresa May calling a fatal election and promising to deliever Brexit. Uneasy lies the head, that wears the crown. She could have tried to compromise early on, but she didn’t, when she thought she was it was basically either hard Brexit or no deal, so not a compromise at all. Leaving whilst remaining in the single market and customs union would have probably passed some time ago. |
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Post by d'James on Sept 4, 2019 22:51:02 GMT
All this stems from Theresa May calling a fatal election and promising to deliever Brexit. Uneasy lies the head, that wears the crown. She could have tried to compromise early on, but she didn’t, when she thought she was it was basically either hard Brexit or no deal, so not a compromise at all. Leaving whilst remaining in the single market and customs union would have probably passed some time ago. Absolutely. The red lines were her problem. I have no sympathy. I think it easily would’ve passed soon after the referendum but now people pretend they were voting to no deal. SOME people were probably voting for that but not a majority. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 8:31:11 GMT
Anyone else think Bercow is slightly enjoying being the first person, ever, to give Johnson a telling off...
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Sept 5, 2019 8:35:16 GMT
Post by londonpostie on Sept 5, 2019 8:35:16 GMT
I suspect former neighbours in Camberwell might suggest Carrrie Symonds got there earlier.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 5, 2019 12:07:14 GMT
Jo Johnson.
What an earth is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson doing to rhe party?
I suspect many MP's are keeping stum out of party loyalty.
I also suspect BJ is cut from the same Trump ridden cloth
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 5, 2019 12:22:55 GMT
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 5, 2019 16:40:54 GMT
How many days ago was Owen Jones, etc urging people to drop everything, protect democracy by rushing to College Green or block their nearest bridge, or organise for a national strike in order to protest against the coup. 2 days, maybe 3? Social media stark raving bonkers - and making fortunes from it. But 3 days later it's all forgotten, lets move on to the next manufactured hysteria #cha-ching Incredible what you can do with a fixed term parliament act eh |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 5, 2019 16:42:33 GMT
See Jo Johnson's leaving speech today? Leaving parliament not to spend more time with his family
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 17:10:30 GMT
Performers well know the term ‘flop sweat’, that moment when your body reacts to the sudden realisation that this is all going badly wrong.
Johnson’s last week or so personifies this.
For anyone who didn’t see his speech just now about (supposedly about) police recruitment it was like a mix of the ‘what the hell is happening’ of Carrie, the amatuerishness of Bernadette and the rapidly sinking performer who has bitten off more than he can chew of Peter Allen in Legs Diamond.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 17:52:45 GMT
I'm seriously thinking of declaring "political bankruptcy" over all of this, now. As in, "I'll never align myself with any political party ever again, and visit the polls only to mark my paper 'none of the above.'" I actually cannot believe or forgive the behaviour of anybody on any side of the house any longer. Not a single member (and they are now all members to me) deserves to be where they are or are fit to run this country in any way. Yes, I'm angry now, just angry. I know the feeling! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 5, 2019 17:59:29 GMT
Disenfranchising yourself isn’t the answer though. Or spoiling ballot papers. You just leave the decisions with the extremists on all sides who WILL vote come what may.
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 5, 2019 17:59:44 GMT
All this stems from Theresa May calling a fatal election and promising to deliever Brexit. Uneasy lies the head, that wears the crown. She could have tried to compromise early on, but she didn’t, when she thought she was it was basically either hard Brexit or no deal, so not a compromise at all. Leaving whilst remaining in the single market and customs union would have probably passed some time ago. She could have tried to compromise early on, but she didn’t, when she thought she was it was basically either hard Brexit or no deal, so not a compromise at all. Leaving whilst remaining in the single market and customs union would have probably passed some time ago. Absolutely. The red lines were her problem. I have no sympathy. I think it easily would’ve passed soon after the referendum but now people pretend they were voting to no deal. SOME people were probably voting for that but not a majority. I don't disagree with anything of the above.
Theresa May will leave parliament at the next general election, former prime ministers do not tend to hang around. Under Theresa May's government, Boris wasn't known to be loyal and was said to be on manoeuvres all the time.
So why didn't Theresa vote against his government this week, she is leaving parliament, she disagrees with a hard Brexit and she owes Boris no loyalty.
Once again and probably for the last time Saint Theresa proves to be an invertebrate once more.
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