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Post by showgirl on Oct 6, 2023 3:36:22 GMT
Please could anyone local to Birmingham or the area or who has visited recently advise whether the town centre is still in chaos due to the prolonged tram works?
I only visit once a year if that and haven't been since 2022, but when I went then I was surprised to find the disruption continuing and if anything worse than on my previous visit the year before. It's not that I can't still find my way round but I'd rather be prepared and am asking as I'm planning to see Sinatra - The Musical and to visit a museum beforehand.
Thank you very much.
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Post by mkb on Oct 6, 2023 7:34:49 GMT
I walked up New Street to the Rep on Wednesday and didn't see anything chaotic nor any works. Very easy ten-minute walk.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 6, 2023 14:26:19 GMT
Thank you, mkb; really helpful. Sounds as though the works are either over at long last or have moved elsewhere.
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Post by marob on Oct 6, 2023 14:57:59 GMT
Rare for me to go to Birmingham too (last was South Pacific last year) but I saw Sinatra yesterday. How are you getting there? If you were going by train to New Street and walking then as mkb said there wouldn’t be any problem. Not sure about by car though as there were road works, but they were around the High Street area.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 7, 2023 2:58:01 GMT
I'm going by train, thank you, so should be OK. I'd only drive if planning an overnight stay and at a hotel with parking, outside the centre. Despite all the usual difficulties with train travel, never mind the current additional issues, that's always my preferred option. Wonder when the trams will eventually start running?
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Post by mkb on Oct 7, 2023 9:48:29 GMT
I thought they were running? At least I thought I saw some, but I wasn't really paying attention.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 12:29:52 GMT
The work outside New Sreet up to the Rep has now finished on the trams and they are running up towards Edgbaston now. The ongoing works are nowhere near that part of the city now. So apart from the city being bankrupt its back to normal now best to head out of left top doors if you are exiting onto Stephenson Street as the "loiterers" are often around the top doors.
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Post by moelhywel on Oct 7, 2023 19:45:41 GMT
If you're thinking of visiting the City Art Gallery and Museum then be aware that it is currently closed for "essential ongoing maintenance work".
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Post by showgirl on Oct 8, 2023 4:21:53 GMT
If you're thinking of visiting the City Art Gallery and Museum then be aware that it is currently closed for "essential ongoing maintenance work". Thank you & I had already checked all the pre-matinee options so was aware of this but kind of you to mention it. I'd already done the NT Back-To-Backs tour when I visited last year for What's New, Pussycat? and some of the other museums I'd still like to visit are also shut atm (most frustrating), so I've actually booked for the Coffin Museum, weird as that may sound. I can't quite get there in time for their only guided tour that day at 11 am but I can still do a self-guided visit with audio. I do anyway quite enjoy more offbeat & unusual museums so I'm looking forward to both now, ie museum & matinee.
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Post by FrontrowverPaul on Oct 8, 2023 4:34:25 GMT
I'm going by train, thank you, so should be OK. I'd only drive if planning an overnight stay and at a hotel with parking, outside the centre. Despite all the usual difficulties with train travel, never mind the current additional issues, that's always my preferred option. Wonder when the trams will eventually start running? Trams are running and there's a stop yards away from the Birmingham Rep on the Edgbaston to Wolverhampton route, though I doubt if the tram would be quicker than walking from New Street or Moor Street station which took me less than 10 minutes. I travelled Chiltern Railways, the 17.45 back to London from Moor Street was ideal time after a matinee and cheap booked in advance, though very busy as far as Leamington Spa with many standees.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 12:28:01 GMT
If people have a job to walk uphill then the tram is worth taking the few stops to the rep. The only draw back is waiting for the team is right by where you get a lot of "loiterers" who may be in various states of mind/soberness.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 9, 2023 3:25:02 GMT
Thank you all for the further responses. Being a keen long-distance walker, it's not the short distance in a town centre that's the issue; more being forewarned if there was still disruption in that area. Though town centres - especially London - are always slow & infuriating to navigate on foot due to all the dawdlers, phone-gawpers & people endlessly walking out of shop doorways without even looking to see if they're about to barge into someone walking by, never mind pausing to allow that person to continue. Rant over - sorry! FrontrowverPaul I've been longing to try Chiltern Railways for years, both to enjoy the views en route and for what I hear is a better passenger experience. My ex recently beat me to it for an away game and reported back favourably. It didn't work for my Birmingham trip, for which I'm using WMR as usual (affordable tix & seat reservations both ways). I am however using Chiltern later this month for a day trip to Stratford though am concerned by what you say about overcrowding & the fact that their website said "seat reservations are not available" without giving any reason. Doesn't bode well for a long journey. In general Euston is a lot simpler for me to reach than Marylebone, or I'd have used Chiltern before and would consider it regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 9:53:05 GMT
Thank you all for the further responses. Being a keen long-distance walker, it's not the short distance in a town centre that's the issue; more being forewarned if there was still disruption in that area. Though town centres - especially London - are always slow & infuriating to navigate on foot due to all the dawdlers, phone-gawpers & people endlessly walking out of shop doorways without even looking to see if they're about to barge into someone walking by, never mind pausing to allow that person to continue. Rant over - sorry! Its been a few years since I've been to the capital but I always found the commuters in London move a lot faster than those in other major cities and seem more in a rush. Whether that is the same with people in their own time I don't know so much? I always felt anyone who travels around London much would find other big cities a breeze but often Brummies and Mancunians even will think London is very busy and stressful like people from smaller towns who masy be visting Brum/Manchester do.
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Post by FrontrowverPaul on Oct 9, 2023 14:23:14 GMT
Thank you all for the further responses. Being a keen long-distance walker, it's not the short distance in a town centre that's the issue; more being forewarned if there was still disruption in that area. Though town centres - especially London - are always slow & infuriating to navigate on foot due to all the dawdlers, phone-gawpers & people endlessly walking out of shop doorways without even looking to see if they're about to barge into someone walking by, never mind pausing to allow that person to continue. Rant over - sorry! FrontrowverPaul I've been longing to try Chiltern Railways for years, both to enjoy the views en route and for what I hear is a better passenger experience. My ex recently beat me to it for an away game and reported back favourably. It didn't work for my Birmingham trip, for which I'm using WMR as usual (affordable tix & seat reservations both ways). I am however using Chiltern later this month for a day trip to Stratford though am concerned by what you say about overcrowding & the fact that their website said "seat reservations are not available" without giving any reason. Doesn't bode well for a long journey. In general Euston is a lot simpler for me to reach than Marylebone, or I'd have used Chiltern before and would consider it regularly. I've travelled from London to Birmingham Moor Street on Chiltern 10+ times and not experienced a busy train until it's in the West Midlands and becomes a local stopping service, It's easy to work out which train will be the one I want from the arrivals board, or seeing what's in the platforms, at Marylebone before announcements are made. I always try to grab an extra legroom, window, away from toilet, airline, seat so am usually one of the first to board. The trains are nice too with a quiet coach though it's not enforced and often ignored. Returning from Birmingham after a matinee - I can't get home by train after an evening show - it's usually the 17.45 departure which you'd expect to be busy and last Thursday it only had four carriages. I've been to Stratford upon Avon for a RSC matinee too and the trains were lightly loaded throughout in both directions. I've never really considered the behaviour of other pedestrians while walking, though in London what you frequently see from the top deck of buses is complete ignorance of road traffic and crossing signals by both walkers and cyclists. Many people these days walk around with a phone in their hand in their own little bubble it seems. I've only once seen a near miss where a woman with phone walked out without looking against a red light and the bus driver had to slam on his brakes but it's probably a regular occurrence.
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Post by moelhywel on Oct 10, 2023 20:37:52 GMT
FrontrowverPaul I've been longing to try Chiltern Railways for years, both to enjoy the views en route and for what I hear is a better passenger experience. My ex recently beat me to it for an away game and reported back favourably. It didn't work for my Birmingham trip, for which I'm using WMR as usual (affordable tix & seat reservations both ways). I am however using Chiltern later this month for a day trip to Stratford though am concerned by what you say about overcrowding & the fact that their website said "seat reservations are not available" without giving any reason. Doesn't bode well for a long journey. In general Euston is a lot simpler for me to reach than Marylebone, or I'd have used Chiltern before and would consider it regularly. Chiltern have never done seat reservations. I use them frequently when I travel to London and usually try to arrive at the station with plenty of time to spare so that it is fairly easy to get the seat of my choice.
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Post by mkb on Oct 10, 2023 22:11:36 GMT
FrontrowverPaul I've been longing to try Chiltern Railways for years, both to enjoy the views en route and for what I hear is a better passenger experience. My ex recently beat me to it for an away game and reported back favourably. It didn't work for my Birmingham trip, for which I'm using WMR as usual (affordable tix & seat reservations both ways). I am however using Chiltern later this month for a day trip to Stratford though am concerned by what you say about overcrowding & the fact that their website said "seat reservations are not available" without giving any reason. Doesn't bode well for a long journey. In general Euston is a lot simpler for me to reach than Marylebone, or I'd have used Chiltern before and would consider it regularly. Chiltern have never done seat reservations. I use them frequently when I travel to London and usually try to arrive at the station with plenty of time to spare so that it is fairly easy to get the seat of my choice. That is guaranteed to work only if you are embarking at the train origin. Many passengers are not, and the refusal to provide seat reservations on long-distance routes by operators such as Chiltern and London Northwestern is appalling.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 11, 2023 3:34:51 GMT
Thank you all once more for the additional info; don't think I've ever had so many replies to a q or such helpful ones here. Yes, I did see from the Chiltern Trains website that they don't do reservations but no explanation provided and I agree that this is inconvenient & inconsiderate. Also out-of-keeping with all other TOCs I use. Also true that the alternative - ie arriving early at origin station - works only if that's where you're joining the train and you have the time. I always aim to arrive early but on the return journey that can be harder as post-performance and still doesn't help if your train has started further up the route.
On the other hand (way off-topic now - sorry) I've learned from bitter experience that even allowing reservations on some routes can make it difficult to find a free seat, for instance on Cross Country Trains as their routes are so convoluted and long that by the time you've walked up and down searching for a seat free for your journey leg, you may be approching your destination. When I travelled on GWR recently, their reservation signs made it much clearer when a seat would be free for use by those without reservations.
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Post by lynette on Oct 12, 2023 19:10:18 GMT
If you're thinking of visiting the City Art Gallery and Museum then be aware that it is currently closed for "essential ongoing maintenance work". It’s a disgrace. They can’t afford to keep it open. No doubt nobody actually cares a toss what is inside the building.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 19:12:27 GMT
Must admit I've not been inside the museum and art gallary for years and I probably go past it several times a month.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 16, 2023 3:16:53 GMT
As an alternative I can definitely recommend the Coffin Works Museum, which is very handy for the Rep and one of the most fascinating small, independent museums I've ever visited. Really helpful, informative and engaged staff and volunteers who made my experience so much more worthwhile.
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Post by jek on Oct 16, 2023 7:37:52 GMT
I second the Coffin Works and also the Back to Backs which are operated by the National Trust and are just near the Hippodrome. Generally need to book for the latter - as it is small and popular.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 16, 2023 17:17:11 GMT
Agree re the Back To Backs, which I visited on my previous Birmingham trip for "What's New, Pussycat?".
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Post by notmymuse on Nov 6, 2023 0:16:38 GMT
I'm very late to this party/thread, but in addition to the Coffin Works, the Pen Museum is surprisingly fascinating for a Brum off-beat museum. The Museum of the Jewellery Quarter is perhaps the best, but it's been shut for ages as the Council takes ages to repair the building. English Heritage have a similar museum nearby that's open some weekends. They are both old jewellery factories frozen in time so well worth a visit.
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