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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 8:44:00 GMT
I've never had a problem with pre-ordered interval drinks either, can be a real scrum at the bar at the interval if you don't pre-order. On the very rare occasions my drinks have been missing I just go to a vacant bit of the bar and wave my receipt around and they will replace the drinks with no question
And thanks for the ATG happy hour tip, what a great idea!
To answer the other question - I've been in the National and the Barbican till kicking out time. Also got booted out of the bar at the Theatre Royal Haymarket after an interval when chatting to a friend we'd bumped into rather than drinking
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Post by Dawnstar on Apr 15, 2017 17:26:00 GMT
I've never been kicked out of a closing theatre bar, as a non-drinker I don't go in them, but I was so late out of the auditorium of my local theatre last month that I had to leave by the stage door because all the other doors were locked up! There was a post-show Q&A and afterwards one of the cast, recognising me in the audience, came down from the stage to say hello. By the time he, I & another fan had finished chatting all the rest of the audience had left.
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Post by Jon on Apr 16, 2017 0:21:54 GMT
What does the in association with credit mean as in the National Theatre in association with Sonia Friedman Productions present Three Days in the Country.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 9:41:33 GMT
I don't know but I'd like to hazard a guess before someone gives an authoritative answer.
I expect that "in association with" can mean quite different things in different cases. In this instance, was it that SFP had originally developed the project, and perhaps had also commissioned Patrick Marber, and then granted the NT the right to produce the play whilst maybe retaining a degree of creative producer input in the eventual NT production? And, despite not actually co-producing the NT production, did SFP also have certain rights over any future commercial exploitation of it or other later productions after the NT run?
Or not?
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Post by daniel on Apr 16, 2017 11:01:15 GMT
I don't know but I'd like to hazard a guess before someone gives an authoritative answer. I expect that "in association with" can mean quite different things in different cases. In this instance, was it that SFP had originally developed the project, and perhaps had also commissioned Patrick Marber, and then granted the NT the right to produce the play whilst maybe retaining a degree of creative producer input in the eventual NT production? And, despite not actually co-producing the NT production, did SFP also have certain rights over any future commercial exploitation of it or other later productions after the NT run? Or not? I think you're pretty much spot on, HG - from my understanding, "in association with" in the loosest sense just implies co-involvement. Whether this is as a full-blown co-producer, somebody putting some money in to just get their name on the project, or any of the examples you mentioned above.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 11:09:05 GMT
It was brought up in the Wonderland thread, but I am generally curious so any promotions people out there, help me out... if you are including quotes from press, do you legally have to include where the quote came from and who wrote it? Because the Wonderland trailer included many quotes, including ones specific to the leads, but never included any credit to the publication or writers of the quotes so now im confused?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 11:19:18 GMT
I've never had a problem with ordering interval drinks (not that I often do it). If you're with someone order a bottle of wine before the show and ask them to keep the second half of the bottle for the interval. I've never had anything less than a perfectly chilled drink. Just to defend bar staff and interval drinks a little bit, I can't speak on behalf of long runners, but I am a bar supervisor at a major venue in a town in the UK that gets alot of touring one night only shows and it is difficult to sometimes do interval drinks as the timings of the show always chamge, people complain if drinks are not as cold as they want because the timings of the show are wrong so naturally they get a bit less chilled, and then they complain at the bar rather rudely in my experince and hold up the other customers. I know it sounds ridiculous, and yours wasn't a complaint haha, but it was the last one so I just quoted yours. If anyone has issues with interval drinks at a one night only type venue, do understand half the time promotors give staff the wrong times and it causes issue for everyone involved haha
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 12:12:01 GMT
It was brought up in the Wonderland thread, but I am generally curious so any promotions people out there, help me out... if you are including quotes from press, do you legally have to include where the quote came from and who wrote it? Because the Wonderland trailer included many quotes, including ones specific to the leads, but never included any credit to the publication or writers of the quotes so now im confused? Caveat Emptor. You can't misattribute quotes or use a person's name connected to a quote without agreement (with a newspaper review there is already a tacit understanding) but putting quotation marks around words isn't strictly breaking regulations. It puts you into the same category as fake news though and, as we know, people will believe the biggest rubbish if it they emotionally 'believe' it. Germany, at least, is introducing legislation to make fake news illegal. Buyer beware.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 12:15:02 GMT
It was brought up in the Wonderland thread, but I am generally curious so any promotions people out there, help me out... if you are including quotes from press, do you legally have to include where the quote came from and who wrote it? Because the Wonderland trailer included many quotes, including ones specific to the leads, but never included any credit to the publication or writers of the quotes so now im confused? Caveat Emptor. You can't misattribute quotes or use a person's name connected to a quote without agreement (with a newspaper review there is already a tacit understanding) but putting quotation marks around words isn't strictly breaking regulations. It puts you into the same category as fake news though and, as we know, people will believe the biggest rubbish if it they emotionally 'believe' it. Germany, at least, is introducing legislation to make fake news illegal. Buyer beware. An appropriate day to make that joke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 12:19:24 GMT
Caveat Emptor. You can't misattribute quotes or use a person's name connected to a quote without agreement (with a newspaper review there is already a tacit understanding) but putting quotation marks around words isn't strictly breaking regulations. It puts you into the same category as fake news though and, as we know, people will believe the biggest rubbish if it they emotionally 'believe' it. Germany, at least, is introducing legislation to make fake news illegal. Buyer beware. An appropriate day to make that joke. Why today especially? :confused:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 12:23:10 GMT
An appropriate day to make that joke. Why today especially? :confused: Easter Sunday, alot of people view the whole religous thing as fake news... bad joke, fell flat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 12:36:27 GMT
Why today especially? :confused: Easter Sunday, alot of people view the whole religous thing as fake news... bad joke, fell flat. Ah, got it, I hadn't even registered that it was Easter Sunday!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 12:47:28 GMT
Easter Sunday, alot of people view the whole religous thing as fake news... bad joke, fell flat. Ah, got it, I hadn't even registered that it was Easter Sunday! Well then Happy Easter love.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 13:03:35 GMT
Regarding poster quotes, I'm always amused by the fact that the quote used on most posters for Dirty Dancing is "The biggest live theatre sensation of all time" - The Observer For instance - Which is a genuine quote, but it's taken out of context as it's not from a review of the show, it's from an article about ticket sales before the show opened. www.theguardian.com/stage/2006/sep/10/theatre.westendThe full quote is - They've been using this quote for over 10 years!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 16:21:43 GMT
The full quote is - As for the London show, Dirty Dancing is, with £6m advance ticket sales, the most successfully pre-sold show in the history of London theatre. Across the world - in Dubai, Mexico, Scandinavia, Russia, Slovakia and Poland - production companies are clamouring for the rights to produce it. Dirty Dancing is shaping up to be the biggest live theatre sensation of all time. They've been using this quote for over 10 years! Well, The Observer did say "of all time" and a decade is but a pinprick in the infinity of eternity, so I'd say that The Observer got what it deserved after publishing its original article.
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Post by Jon on Apr 16, 2017 22:48:38 GMT
I don't know but I'd like to hazard a guess before someone gives an authoritative answer. I expect that "in association with" can mean quite different things in different cases. In this instance, was it that SFP had originally developed the project, and perhaps had also commissioned Patrick Marber, and then granted the NT the right to produce the play whilst maybe retaining a degree of creative producer input in the eventual NT production? And, despite not actually co-producing the NT production, did SFP also have certain rights over any future commercial exploitation of it or other later productions after the NT run? Or not? I think you're pretty much spot on, HG - from my understanding, "in association with" in the loosest sense just implies co-involvement. Whether this is as a full-blown co-producer, somebody putting some money in to just get their name on the project, or any of the examples you mentioned above. Thanks for the explaination, I assume with Oslo which is being produced by the National in association with ATG, it's because ATG have a relationship with the Lincoln Center and Bartlett Sher and they're put up some of the costs for both the run at the National and the transfer to the Harold Pinter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 9:33:05 GMT
I assume with Oslo which is being produced by the National in association with ATG, it's because ATG have a relationship with the Lincoln Center and Bartlett Sher and they're put up some of the costs for both the run at the National and the transfer to the Harold Pinter. Oslo is the Lincoln Center Theater production. It is to be presented, "direct from Broadway", by the NT in the Lyttelton Theatre. Then, it is to be presented by the NT in the Harold Pinter Theatre, in association with ATG. ATG owns the Harold Pinter Theatre and I assume that the "association" in this case means that ATG is investing in, or co-financing, this presentation by the NT and will share the risk and the potential profits with the NT, which is the principal presenter. I suppose that an alternative model would have been for ATG to rent out the Harold Pinter Theatre to the NT. In that case, the NT would have had to finance all of the costs and take all of the risk of the West End run, which I doubt that the NT would have been prepared to do. Presumably, some of the capital and set-up costs of the Broadway transfer will be shared between the Lyttelton run and the West End run, which will make it more affordable for the NT to bring it over in the first place.
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Post by tmesis on Apr 17, 2017 16:29:12 GMT
Picture the scene:
It's January 2nd or 3rd 2004 and I have spent the new year with family in Derbyshire. As ever I am not looking forward to the drive back to Surrey on the M1 but I am in a very good mood; I have pre - booked to see 'The Pillowman' with Jim Broadbent and David Tennant at the Cottesloe, it has received rave reviews and I'm really looking forward to it. The journey starts well but rapidly deteriorates and I have very little time to get to the theatre. I park up and run to the theatre and arrive literally 3 minutes before the start. Phew... But something is not quite right - One of the ushers tells me the performance has been cancelled, full refunds, copious apologies and even three tickets for a free drinks at the bar. The official reason for the cancellation? 'David Tennant is ill and the Cottesloe has a policy of no understudies.'
So my question - is this still the case in the Dorfman?
Only about a year later in a forgettable play set in a pub a similar thing happened. No cancellation this time but there was no proper understudy for a major character and an actor who just happened to be in the building read it from a script.
I have seen most productions at the Cottesloe/Dorfman in the last 20 years and no one has been ill to test the 'policy' further. I also realise the Olivier and Lyttelton always have understudies.
ps. I got tickets later in the run and saw 'The Pillowman' (with David Tennant) and thought it excellent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 16:50:35 GMT
So my question - is this still the case in the Dorfman? Yes - no understudies at Dorfman, Royal Court, etc.
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Post by Kim_Bahorel on Apr 17, 2017 17:27:27 GMT
The Globe/SWP didn't or don't have understudies specifically for any roles but they get either a company member or some to read the part. I saw it twice. I forgot the actors name. It was in Richard II he was ill so one of the others read the part. He had the script in his hand but he knew most of it off my heart. Which concidering it was Shakespeare was impressive.
Then I saw in As You Like It Gary Shelford had injured himself so he couldn't do a certain scene. They had 2 ensemble members. One of which had to learn that bit for the play. I guess thats why they started getting ensemble so if someone was ill injured they could cover but not a specified understudy.
I can understand small venues not having understudies but places like Royal Court etc suprises me. I wonder why uf not understudies they don't just do what the Globe does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 20:07:29 GMT
I wonder why uf not understudies they don't just do what the Globe does. Sometimes they do. It depends on the production how acceptable it would be to the audience.
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Post by partytentdown on Apr 17, 2017 20:10:08 GMT
I believe the Globe now has understudies
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Post by tmesis on Apr 18, 2017 6:58:50 GMT
It's amazing though that for 'The Pillowman' they cancelled the whole production and didn't cover with someone reading from a script (and rather annoying since I'd driven 150 miles to see it.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 7:28:09 GMT
I once drove to Bath for 'Look Back in Anger' (a production funny enough Tennant had left not long before) to find it cancelled due to no understudies. This was a good decade or more ago before faster twitter/email alerts. But to say I was irritated I'd done battle with Bath Saturday traffic (and had to drive back again later that week to see it) was an understatement.
The Globe had someone read in for Colin Morgan during The Tempest if I recall. Sure that went down a storm (pardon the pun) with the fangirls!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 7:52:16 GMT
Got all the way to London for a performance of Xanadu at Southwark Playhouse before getting an email saying it was cancelled due to illness. Thanks to my mate not only did we get tickets for later in the run but we got free tickets to Grey Gardens too!
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