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Post by duncan on Feb 15, 2019 11:29:03 GMT
I don't like the disney cartoon films of The Lion King or Aladdin. The last Disney cartoon I saw was "Basil the Great Mouse Detective" circa 1986 and prior to that it was Bambi in 1978. I've no interest in cartoons. |
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Post by Bickers on Feb 15, 2019 15:18:21 GMT
I've never seen Dirty Dancing all the way through and the bits I have seen I really wasn't fussed about. I told a friend this once and she looked at me as though I'd confessed that I enjoy slicing kittens in my spare time. I will level this up and detail how much I LOATHE that film. I often feel I'm a defective girl because I DO NOT GET IT. I love me a romcom I think it's a highly underrated film genre but lordy if this film doesn't bore me senseless and annoy me in equal measure. And while we're at it Grease. I hate the film, hate the musical. Dirty Dancing = Terrible film, mostly great songs. I still feel that having a romantic lead called Baby is a bit creepy and paedophiley... Grease = Terrible film, a few catchy tunes, really dodgy morals - Change for your man! Smoking is cool!
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Post by Playbill99 on Feb 15, 2019 17:44:23 GMT
I HATE Michael Ball. I think he's completely overrated. There's no need for THAT much vibrato on every note. Literally cannot stand him.
(I feel like this unpopular opinion may get me killed)
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Post by TallPaul on Feb 15, 2019 18:23:47 GMT
I HATE Michael Ball. I think he's completely overrated. There's no need for THAT much vibrato on every note. Literally cannot stand him. (I feel like this unpopular opinion may get me killed) Welcome to the Board, Alfie. 🙂 |
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 16, 2019 10:21:54 GMT
The Kardashians: honestly, they don’t bother me. They like sex and expensive clothes and advertise products and they are no less valid for doing so then any other celebrity just because they don’t have a minor acting career or a few charting singles to their credit. I don't mind them either, they are nobodies to me. Just like every other commoner who likes sex and clothes. I just really don't understand why stars with careers, who won oscars and stuff, who have a real passion for creating art, who dedicate their lives to their craft, are compared to this reality commoners in any way, shape or form. I really think there should be a difference between "being known (for trashy things)" and "being famous (for an achievement)". I do feel sorry for the people who don't understand this, because if you can't separate trash from quality, your life will turn into the first. I also think platforms like Instagram should make a division in departments, one for reality/commoners and one for celebrities with career credits. Right now it's a big ant-nest, where people's minds are blurred about what is worth something/quality and everybody buys followers and likes and is supposedly "famous". |
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 16, 2019 10:40:09 GMT
Grease = Terrible film, a few catchy tunes, really dodgy morals - Change for your man! I love Grease the film. It's playful and romantic. It really annoys me that in every modern film, such as La La Land, the leading lady has to be feminist, has an aversion to romantic things, and the leading guy has to be goofy and submissive and can never be rude or say anything a woman in real life doesn't want to hear. The basis of every film now is "Change for your woman! That's cool". The part of Mia is written as a feminist character (but it is well written, at least it is written in a way her character arc makes sense, accepting that character trait is what everybody likes to see nowadays), but the part of Seb is one of the worst written characters in film history. First 3 scenes of him being a total asshole, then Mia is portrayed like the winner of that situation because something happens where she "wins" and the rest of the scenes he is suddenly a completely goofy, submissive, supportive, yet funny and masculine goofball. His character is basically like the beast in BATB. This given gets really boring and needs to change. Not every film has to be a romantic housewife fantasy novel where the man is dragged down to that level to support women's fantasies. |
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Post by hal9000 on Feb 16, 2019 10:51:59 GMT
I really think their should be a difference between "being known (for trashy things)" and "being famous (for an achievement)". I hear you. My unpopular opinion is that I don’t believe there is value to be being known or being famous. I don’t think it matters that the Kardashians are famous (even though their talents are not academic or artistic but as marketers) because I don’t see reknown as a reward for hard work. Celebrity is it’s own entity and something that may happen accidentally but usually as a result of pursuit of the fame itself and not as a by product of being really good at something else. People really have to work at getting attention. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 16, 2019 11:43:40 GMT
Grease = Terrible film, a few catchy tunes, really dodgy morals - Change for your man! I love Grease the film. It's playful and romantic. It really annoys me that in every modern film, such as La La Land, the leading lady has to be feminist, has an aversion to romantic things, and the leading guy has to be goofy and submissive and can never be rude or say anything a woman in real life doesn't want to hear. The basis of every film now is "Change for your woman! That's cool". The part of Mia is written as a feminist character (but it is well written, at least it is written in a way her character arc makes sense, accepting that character trait is what everybody likes to see nowadays), but the part of Seb is one of the worst written characters in film history. First 3 scenes of him being a total asshole, then Mia is portrayed like the winner of that situation because something happens where she "wins" and the rest of the scenes he is suddenly a completely goofy, submissive, supportive, yet funny and masculine goofball. His character is basically like the beast in BATB. This given gets really boring and needs to change. Not every film has to be a romantic housewife fantasy novel where the man is dragged down to that level to support women's fantasies. "Every film"? |
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 16, 2019 11:45:50 GMT
Annie Lennox is a horrible singer. Cold, clinical, emotionless, soulless, dull, studiedly affectedly theatrical.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 11:51:45 GMT
Grease = Terrible film, a few catchy tunes, really dodgy morals - Change for your man! I love Grease the film. It's playful and romantic. It really annoys me that in every modern film, such as La La Land, the leading lady has to be feminist, has an aversion to romantic things, and the leading guy has to be goofy and submissive and can never be rude or say anything a woman in real life doesn't want to hear. The basis of every film now is "Change for your woman! That's cool". The part of Mia is written as a feminist character (but it is well written, at least it is written in a way her character arc makes sense, accepting that character trait is what everybody likes to see nowadays), but the part of Seb is one of the worst written characters in film history. First 3 scenes of him being a total asshole, then Mia is portrayed like the winner of that situation because something happens where she "wins" and the rest of the scenes he is suddenly a completely goofy, submissive, supportive, yet funny and masculine goofball. His character is basically like the beast in BATB. This given gets really boring and needs to change. Not every film has to be a romantic housewife fantasy novel where the man is dragged down to that level to support women's fantasies.
Oh dear.... Anyone else want to take that, I'm not sure I have the strength (Perhaps because I'm a feeble housewife, who needs to drag my man down to my level) |
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 16, 2019 12:13:06 GMT
Yep, nearly every film or series with a romantic love story. Guy has to have a bad side first to get the juices flowing and then when it comes down to it, kind hearted masculine submissive goofball to tick that boxes as well. Boring. Even the new Disney classics only present this feminist type of character and put the male roles in that position. And many, many Netflix series for that matter. It's everywhere. It's time to go back to writing like back when male roles actually had character. We have to learn that it's ok for both females and males to have character. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 12:44:09 GMT
Commercial films reflect society, it’s down to market forces. If you find yourself out of step with contemporary films then you are likely to be out of step with society. If that is compounded by believing that the world pictured in films from decades ago is more in tune with your views then you are probably a reactionary. There’s always the option of moving to somewhere less progressive if someone is that fussed about it.
Or, as another writer would have it, ‘the world only spins forwards’.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 12:46:16 GMT
Whilst I’m here (and on the Beatles theme), Paul McCartney is a much better songwriter than John Lennon.
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 16, 2019 12:56:20 GMT
Commercial films reflect society, it’s down to market forces. If you find yourself out of step with contemporary films then you are likely to be out of step with society. If that is compounded by believing that the world pictured in films from decades ago is more in tune with your views then you are probably a reactionary. There’s always the option of moving to somewhere less progressive if someone is that fussed about it. Or, as another writer would have it, ‘the world only spins forwards’. Very true. And we have a long way to go in "spinning forward". I think the way male characters are written now will be laughable in the future. Grease did a much better job in playing with these both sides and not following the 1 sided "desired character fantasy for a certain sexe" all the time. Both sexes showed character there. Same goes for films like The Sound of Music. Beautifully 2 sided in character. Basically, today is less progressive by showing 1 side instead of 2. It might be an over-reaction from women nowadays, but I hope it balances out soon again. Not every male role in a romantic story has to fulfill the fantasy per definition, and if it does, it's time that fantasy changes. Mia in La La Land is not every man's fantasy, character wise, so why does Seb have to be so obliging and fulfilling that fantasy in ways that makes his character completely incoherent? It's weird, and probably a result of the society we live in today where everyone is walking on egg-shells and extremely afraid to offend someone, and some people think that the current state of society is always the best one (ridiculous thought), but nature will cause a counter movement (spinning forward). Men will not be belittled like this for long. Sometimes society doesn't realize it is taking a few steps back in order to take a step forward, so I guess we could call the whole journey "progress" but that doesn't say anything about the current state of society. |
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Feb 16, 2019 13:14:10 GMT
I have a mental list of "shows everyone thinks are good but are actually incredibly boring except for 1 good solo song, generally female, generally in act 2"
Sweet Charity
Caroline or Change
Gypsy
Kiss Me Kate
Anything Goes
Follies
An American in Paris
if/then
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Post by indis on Feb 16, 2019 13:47:49 GMT
Beatles are horrible, but the same goes for the Rolling Stones and Nirvana
i only like "Imagine" and that one Christmas song from the same singer i think that i cannot remember the name right now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 13:50:19 GMT
Both ‘sides’ in Grease are pathetic, weak characters caught up in roles that they’ve been coralled into. I have little time for either and the ending just compounds the issue. It’s pure peer pressure fantasy. It's weird, and probably a result of the society we live in today where everyone is walking on egg-shells and extremely afraid to offend someone, and some people think that the current state of society is always the best one (ridiculous thought), but nature will cause a counter movement (spinning forward). Men will not be belittled like this for long. Think of the world like white water rafting. You are carried along by the force of everything around you and, although a superhuman effort might stop you or even go back upstream a little, you’ll just knacker yourself and end up on the rocks, Anyone who thinks that ‘men’ are being ‘belittled’ is setting themselves up for a massive splat on the rocks. By the way, the term for ‘walking on eggshells’ is better rendered as ‘good manners’. |
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Post by Dave25 on Feb 16, 2019 14:32:09 GMT
I disagree, the role of Seb in La La Land (this role is a great example of what is going wrong in many films and series today, like I explained) is a clown.
The role of Danny Zuko in Grease has much more sides to him and his character actually makes sense in the situation he is in. It's love, insecurity, considerations, reputation, and yes, peer pressure and putting in effort for eachother in a fun way, both ways. They are portrayed as equals throughout the whole film, both are smart, mischievous, and have more layers and do and say good and bad things to eachother and are believable human beings. It's not a feminist versus clown drab.
Sure, we must accept what society has become at any given time, but luckily we will have other times to see and compare what works or doesn't work better. And there will be many, many, many more times to come, with people like you looking back on this time, and discussing the inequality and strange role portrayals of today.
The fact that you can't see that yet, or don't care, doesn't mean it's not happening. There are people (like me) already who see that current does not always mean best, because that would be a silly thought. And with more and more times to come, which people can compare, in order to form their worldview, I am confident that there might be some equality again in the future of movie writing.
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 16, 2019 14:39:47 GMT
Beatles are horrible, but the same goes for the Rolling Stones and Nirvana 'but'?! i only like "Imagine" and that one Christmas song from the same singer i think that i cannot remember the name right now Oh, I believe you can. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 16, 2019 14:48:28 GMT
the role of Seb in La La Land (this role is a great example of what is going wrong in many films and series today, like I explained) is a clown. The role of Danny Zuko in Grease has much more sides to him and his character actually makes sense in the situation he is in. It's love, insecurity, considerations, reputation, and yes, peer pressure and putting in effort for eachother in a fun way, both ways. It's not a feminist versus clown drab. Danny is multi-faceted and Seb is a clown. By the way you've gone from EVERY FILM to NEARLY EVERY Film to MANY FILMS. Oh, and you are really seriously wildly overstating the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 14:49:09 GMT
No doubt we will look back on this time with incredulity and future generations will judge us harshly.
'How could we so carelessly screw up the planet?', probably being the main one.
They won't waste a second thinking about minor shifts in gender roles and expectations other than to laud those who set in motion the advances towards greater equality. From a previous generation, for example, the progress towards universal suffrage will be seen more and more as an important watershed, yet just a blip when weighed up against a century that saw greater destruction of life in the pursuit of political ideology than ever before.
The acceptance of equality in gender/sexuality/race/faith and so on is maybe one of our only chances to avoid this being seen as an insular, destructive century. At least we might have that to set against our destruction of resources and the too slow reaction to that fact.
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Post by Backdrifter on Feb 16, 2019 23:40:49 GMT
Queen were okay, nothing special. The attention they get is out of proportion to how interesting they were.
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Post by johartuk on Feb 17, 2019 0:58:23 GMT
Don't bother auditioning for The Voice if:-
a) You can sing in tune
b) Your diction is good
c) You don't go in for vocal acrobatics or shouting
d) You don't have any vocal affectations (e.g. randomly yelping, changing the tune of a song for no discernible reason or deliberately mispronouncing words*)
It makes me wonder what the coaches are looking for. I'm getting to the point where I just think "For God's sake, just sing the song as it was written, with none of these ridiculous gimmicks!"
*There was a girl on tonight's show who I thought was singing about being addicted to loofahs. It turned out that she was singing the song Addicted To Love!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 1:24:55 GMT
I'm not watching The Voice, but something I hate about singing competitions is the constant sob story thing. "My xxx died and I'm doing this for him/her", "I had an accident and music saved me", all that sh*t.. I'm sick of it. I mean, I'm sorry they had to experience that, but come on, stop using it to get through.
And judges, stop pretending you didn't know beforehand.
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Post by hal9000 on Feb 17, 2019 1:32:04 GMT
Don't bother auditioning for The Voice if:- a) You can sing in tune b) Your diction is good c) You don't go in for vocal acrobatics or shouting d) You don't have any vocal affectations (e.g. randomly yelping, changing the tune of a song for no discernible reason or deliberately mispronouncing words*) It makes me wonder what the coaches are looking for. I'm getting to the point where I just think "For God's sake, just sing the song as it was written, with none of these ridiculous gimmicks!" *There was a girl on tonight's show who I thought was singing about being addicted to loofahs. It turned out that she was singing the song as Addicted To Love! Little girl voices are my pet hate. I’m Australian, and on Idol in the 00s singers would often ape the pronunciation of Celien Dion. Now they copy Adele and the resulting sound is damn weird. |
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