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Post by theatreian on Nov 19, 2020 12:02:02 GMT
No one is immune from this disease or any other for that matter. A lot of deadly diseases have been wiped out through science and vaccinations. I do find it odd that you say it is an assault on your body when all it is is a way of trying to help people and end this sorry state of affairs. Everyone has the right to their view though, having said that if you do catch it i expect you will accept medical treatment for it.
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Post by talkingheads on Nov 19, 2020 12:07:35 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. I'm sorry but that is an astonishingly selfish take. Just because you believe you are immune to carrying and potentially passing on the virus, you won't go through the mild inconvenience of a vaccination that could help save the lives of others?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Nov 19, 2020 14:12:35 GMT
Absolutely. I have a few colleagues who are anti vac they and don't see how they can infect the vulnerable folk we support (we work with disabled adults).
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Post by vdcni on Nov 19, 2020 14:13:05 GMT
It's like we haven't been supressing virus's with vaccines for centuries.
Sometimes it feels like we're moving backwards as a society.
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Post by glossie on Nov 19, 2020 14:49:53 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Have you ever had measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, whooping cough, polio, tetanus, TB? Have you any idea just how devastating these diseases are? Probably not. And do you know why? Because most people of my age, whose parents’ families did have experience of them, thanked science for developing the vaccines which saved their children’s lives and willingly agreed to have us vaccinated to prevent more lives being lost or damaged. If that’s considered abuse, then that shows just how mad this world has become. I send my heartfelt gratitude to everyone involved for protecting me, my children and every other person who is alive and well because of it.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Nov 19, 2020 14:51:54 GMT
It's like we haven't been supressing virus's with vaccines for centuries. Sometimes it feels like we're moving backwards as a society. Seriously, and all this talk of herd immunity (usually pushed for by the no lockdown, anti-mask, anti-vax folk) throughout the pandemic as if that's not exactly what vaccines are for except, you know, without risking thousands of lives to achieve it! If you're fit and able then take the vaccine for the sake of the vulnerable and fingers crossed we can kill this virus like we've killed other diseases. I don't think vaccines should be mandatory by any means but that doesn't mean I won't think you're a cruel and selfish person for refusing it without good reason!
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Post by distantcousin on Nov 19, 2020 14:59:19 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Agree 100%.
I am utterly shocked at what's become of people.
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Post by The Matthew on Nov 19, 2020 15:06:24 GMT
Perhaps it should be the case that before you can leave school you have to take a general science exam and if you fail you get killed and eaten. Would that be too extreme? I don't think that would be too extreme.
But more seriously, I do believe that critical thinking is something that should be taught in schools. Wonderful though the Internet is, it has meant that there's far too much information available for people to handle and so they wrap themselves up in little bubbles of self-validation without stopping to think whether any particular idea makes sense, particularly if it appeals to their sense of persecution and oppression. It doesn't matter whether it's vaccines or 5G or global warming or whatever, people will just believe whoever makes the argument that they find most persuasive. I think children — and, depressingly, many adults — need to be encouraged to try to understand things for themselves and not let others tell them that it's too difficult. And if you don't understand things then your opinions are as worthless as if you chose them by rolling dice.
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Post by lichtie on Nov 19, 2020 15:21:07 GMT
Wow, anti-vaxxer and libertarian memes all popping up together... I reckon Laurence Fox is masquerading as a board member!
To give the other side of the coin, just back from my booster as part of one of the trials. Yes, it's my body, and I believe in the benefits of participating as a wider good to society.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 19, 2020 15:46:35 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Uh, 'health' isn't this thing that you either have or don't have, like blue eyes or long legs - you can be 'very healthy' all your life and then catch something that kills you. You can't 'ensure' you don't catch the virus if you have contact with other human beings. You can lower your risk, but if you have the bad luck to be breathing the same air as someone who has the virus for a significant length of time, chances are good that you'll catch it too. And then you'll be more 'polluted' than someone who has been vaccinated, and will probably need more 'invasive' procedures (sticking a swab up your nose and down your throat for the test is no fun, I'm told).
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 19, 2020 15:56:14 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Agree 100%.
I am utterly shocked at what's become of people.
Can I ask why you both say that?
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Post by vickyg on Nov 19, 2020 16:42:55 GMT
I will not take the vaccine under any circumstances whatsoever. My body belongs to me and me alone. I am a very healthy person, I don't think I've ever had flu in my life, and I take sufficient precautions to ensure I don't catch this virus and I will not be subjected to an invasive and unnecessary pollution of my . I believe the hysteria over coronavirus is causing, has caused, and will cause, far more deaths than the virus itself will cause directly. I am astonished that many people who describe themselves as liberal, progressive and so forth are prepared to support the state in an assault. It is a form of abuse, and has no place in a free society. Please could you quantify the deadly impact of the 'hysteria' related to covid? The deadly impact of the virus itself is well documented by the likes of the WHO so I would be interested to compare with your calculations.
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 19, 2020 17:30:20 GMT
It's a shame to see the politicisation of what used to be - pre-social media - a pretty straight forward public health issue.
Having said that, I do want a UK-based, not-for-profit solution.
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Post by lynette on Nov 19, 2020 17:48:00 GMT
The people who will refuse to take the vaccine: did they have vaccinations as children? I’m assuming they did because they would have to be very old to have missed them. So measles, polio, TB possibly just three of the possible vaccinations they could have had. These would have protected them from deadly diseases. In fact chances are they did. Measles kills but now of course the anti vaxxers just class it as a childhood illness, not worth worrying about. In the UK we didn't have to worry so much about smallpox but there again, I wonder why not?
So have a think before you say you will not be vaccinated. Glad you are healthy, long may you remain so. It isn’t about general health, though. Funnily enough, viruses are not choosey..
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Post by lynette on Nov 19, 2020 17:50:14 GMT
Have you ever had measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, whooping cough, polio, tetanus, TB? Have you any idea just how devastating these diseases are? Probably not. And do you know why? Because most people of my age, whose parents’ families did have experience of them, thanked science for developing the vaccines which saved their children’s lives and willingly agreed to have us vaccinated to prevent more lives being lost or damaged. If that’s considered abuse, then that shows just how mad this world has become. I send my heartfelt gratitude to everyone involved for protecting me, my children and every other person who is alive and well because of it. Just seen this glossie. I was trying to say the same, but you have expressed it better, so I’m quoting you so everyone can read what you say again.
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Post by kathryn on Nov 19, 2020 20:32:39 GMT
The people who will refuse to take the vaccine: did they have vaccinations as children? I’m assuming they did because they would have to be very old to have missed them. So measles, polio, TB possibly just three of the possible vaccinations they could have had. These would have protected them from deadly diseases. In fact chances are they did. Measles kills but now of course the anti vaxxers just class it as a childhood illness, not worth worrying about. In the UK we didn't have to worry so much about smallpox but there again, I wonder why not? So have a think before you say you will not be vaccinated. Glad you are healthy, long may you remain so. It isn’t about general health, though. Funnily enough, viruses are not choosey.. Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while.
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Post by Dawnstar on Nov 19, 2020 20:57:04 GMT
Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while. Similar experience in my family. One of my mother's cousins had polio as a child. He recovered fairly well at the time but as he's got hold he has had increased mobility issues. My mother was talking about polio only the other day, saying that the fear of catching it when she was young was comparable to the fear of catching covid now (well, the fear of some people, others don't seem to give a damn about covid). Also apropos vaccines, my recent too-close encounters with brambles (see the How was your day? thread) made me very glad that I'd had a booster for tetanus among other things before going on holiday a year ago, so at least I don't have to worry about getting that.
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Post by The Matthew on Nov 19, 2020 21:26:42 GMT
Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation At school my French teacher had a polio deformity and needed a walking stick. In retrospect I don't know how he managed to survive classrooms of kids who had all the sensitivity you'd expect of tweens.
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Post by CG on the loose on Nov 19, 2020 23:33:22 GMT
Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation At school my French teacher had a polio deformity and needed a walking stick. In retrospect I don't know how he managed to survive classrooms of kids who had all the sensitivity you'd expect of tweens. Ditto on everything except "he" (and she needed two sticks).
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 20, 2020 1:34:08 GMT
The people who will refuse to take the vaccine: did they have vaccinations as children? I’m assuming they did because they would have to be very old to have missed them. So measles, polio, TB possibly just three of the possible vaccinations they could have had. These would have protected them from deadly diseases. In fact chances are they did. Measles kills but now of course the anti vaxxers just class it as a childhood illness, not worth worrying about. In the UK we didn't have to worry so much about smallpox but there again, I wonder why not? So have a think before you say you will not be vaccinated. Glad you are healthy, long may you remain so. It isn’t about general health, though. Funnily enough, viruses are not choosey.. Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while. Quite a big outbreak in the late 50s. As you say, the local lido was often how it passed. I've come across 3 or 4 people in my life with a withered limb from that time. Unlucky as hell.
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Post by thebroadwayboy on Nov 20, 2020 1:44:43 GMT
yes unless I am told not to by a doctor. Both my parents are doctors and they said just to take the vaccine. I want to assure people no I do not get a special vaccine . I am on the spectrum. So if vaccines did cause autism. Well neither my parents who are both rich and doctors did not think it would or it had no link. So I doubt it does
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Post by londonpostie on Nov 20, 2020 7:02:31 GMT
I haven't been to bed yet. This doesn't bode well at all ..
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Post by Jan on Nov 20, 2020 8:15:43 GMT
Why isn't the flu vaccine provided to everyone ?
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Nov 20, 2020 10:07:52 GMT
Why isn't the flu vaccine provided to everyone ? Risk, cost, time?
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Post by kathryn on Nov 20, 2020 10:19:14 GMT
I think, after all the coverage of just how many people die from Flu in a 'normal' year (which I don't think was particularly widely known among the general public until it started being used as a reason not to worry about Coronavirus), that there will be more of a push in future to widen free availability of the Flu vaccine.
Though supply is an issue - there's obviously been a higher take-up than usual this year, and it's very hard to get booked in for one.
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Post by TallPaul on Nov 20, 2020 10:23:13 GMT
It has been announced just this morning that, in England, the flu vaccine will be offered to everyone aged 50 and over, starting on 1 December.
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Post by david on Nov 20, 2020 10:40:25 GMT
Talking about the Flu vaccine, senior management at the lab where I work arranged for a local nurse to come in over a few weeks to give the vaccine to those who wanted it. Certainly, looking at the list of staff who put their names forward there was certainly a big uptake. Maybe this is the sort of thing other organizations could look at not only for the Flu but also the COVID vaccine to help the vaccination process later on.
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Post by Jan on Nov 20, 2020 11:00:04 GMT
Why isn't the flu vaccine provided to everyone ? Risk, cost, time? Risk is very low. Cost too. The answer seems to be that it has only ever been offered to those most at personal risk (the old and the young in the case of flu) which is a policy they're presumably going to abandon for the Covid vaccine.
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Post by maggiem on Nov 20, 2020 11:13:42 GMT
The people who will refuse to take the vaccine: did they have vaccinations as children? I’m assuming they did because they would have to be very old to have missed them. So measles, polio, TB possibly just three of the possible vaccinations they could have had. These would have protected them from deadly diseases. In fact chances are they did. Measles kills but now of course the anti vaxxers just class it as a childhood illness, not worth worrying about. In the UK we didn't have to worry so much about smallpox but there again, I wonder why not? So have a think before you say you will not be vaccinated. Glad you are healthy, long may you remain so. It isn’t about general health, though. Funnily enough, viruses are not choosey.. Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while. When I was at primary school, there was a case of polio reported among the people running a travelling fair, so all the kids in the places where it had been had to have the vaccine. I remember a huge line at my GP's surgery of all the schoolkids having it on a sugar lump.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 20, 2020 11:19:26 GMT
Polio was a huge problem as recently as my Mum's generation - one of her cousins caught it from a local swimming lido as a child and was paralysed for a while. When I was at primary school, there was a case of polio reported among the people running a travelling fair, so all the kids in the places where it had been had to have the vaccine. I remember a huge line at my GP's surgery of all the schoolkids having it on a sugar lump. Me too. There was a buzz of excitement around the school about “pink sugar” but when it came to it was just a normal white sugar lump. Pink sugar was probably an urban myth designed to get kids to have it! I had another jab as a kid that left a ring of 5 dots in your arm for years after. Would that be TB?
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