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Post by anthony40 on Sept 2, 2016 5:12:41 GMT
And the elephant love melody
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 17:26:04 GMT
The show will be going to Broadway first rather than London
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 17:34:00 GMT
Where did you find that out from George?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 18:12:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 18:15:24 GMT
Thanks. Just a little bit gutted about that. But not the end of the world I guess.
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 2, 2016 20:14:03 GMT
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Post by bengal73 on Sept 3, 2016 13:55:27 GMT
I want the music, the elephant and the Satine trapeze entrance... give me that and I'm happy! Only if you add absinthe cocktails at the bar to the list of requests
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 3, 2016 14:29:38 GMT
What about the Green Fairy?
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Post by zak97 on Sept 3, 2016 14:42:53 GMT
It would have been good if it had started here, and ideally great for the current state of the West End if a new hit musical that could then be exported to Broadway, even if it is based on a film. That said, if it is good I think it is inevitable that this will end up in London at some point, the name of the film alone would sell this to even some of the most tentative punters, in my opinion, so it could realistically prop up one of the big theatres successfully. That said, if it is imported from Broadway, the producers will probably want to play it safe, put the full house sign out for social media, and put it in an Adelphi size theatre than risk playing to 'good but not full houses' in one of the 2000+ seat theatres.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 3, 2016 15:12:31 GMT
Oh dear, by rights this now belongs in the International section...
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Post by viserys on Sept 3, 2016 16:34:55 GMT
It would have been good if it had started here, and ideally great for the current state of the West End if a new hit musical that could then be exported to Broadway, even if it is based on a film. That said, if it is good I think it is inevitable that this will end up in London at some point, the name of the film alone would sell this to even some of the most tentative punters, in my opinion, so it could realistically prop up one of the big theatres successfully. That said, if it is imported from Broadway, the producers will probably want to play it safe, put the full house sign out for social media, and put it in an Adelphi size theatre than risk playing to 'good but not full houses' in one of the 2000+ seat theatres. If this can't fill a 2000+ theatre, then I don't know what can...
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Post by zak97 on Sept 3, 2016 21:08:14 GMT
It would have been good if it had started here, and ideally great for the current state of the West End if a new hit musical that could then be exported to Broadway, even if it is based on a film. That said, if it is good I think it is inevitable that this will end up in London at some point, the name of the film alone would sell this to even some of the most tentative punters, in my opinion, so it could realistically prop up one of the big theatres successfully. That said, if it is imported from Broadway, the producers will probably want to play it safe, put the full house sign out for social media, and put it in an Adelphi size theatre than risk playing to 'good but not full houses' in one of the 2000+ seat theatres. If this can't fill a 2000+ theatre, then I don't know what can... I can imagine this could fill 2000+ theatres for 6 months, but after that I would expect a dip, only slightly, but in a big theatre that is probably much more noticed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 21:35:45 GMT
I want the music, the elephant and the Satine trapeze entrance... give me that and I'm happy! Only if you add absinthe cocktails at the bar to the list of requests I love absinthe, totally ready for that haha!
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Post by Raven on Sept 4, 2016 18:15:47 GMT
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Post by viserys on Sept 4, 2016 18:39:33 GMT
I watched the movie again today and I'd say Ben Forster would be way too old. Ewan McGregor was so appealing thanks to his incredibly boyish youthful charme. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head, but considering the show itself will be a huge draw, I'd say give a young talented newcomer a chance at the side of a more experienced leading lady as Satine. I'd assume everyone would be fighting for that part.
If they need some "star names" to boost the cast, the Green Fairy and maybe Zidler may be the best choices for that (although I think Broadbent would be a bit old now for such a physically demanding role every night on stage?)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 18:41:25 GMT
Personally, I'd love Rebecca Trehearn as Satine. The Green fairy is one of those small roles that everyone remembers, a la Grizabella. From memory she doesn't appear very much at all, so they could really get away with a celebrity face if they needed it - Ariana Grande?
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Post by jgblunners on Sept 4, 2016 18:44:41 GMT
Nadim Naaman was tweeting about how it'd be one of his dream roles (I presume he was talking about Christian) - but I think he's around the same age as Ben and I agree, the role probably calls for someone slightly younger, with a naïvety about them.
Surely we could get some fun out of casting ex-Elphabas as 'The Green Fairy' 😛
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 18:46:57 GMT
I was thinking of Louise Dearman again for the fairy. She can play that kind of part well, plus she's tiny, too!
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Post by Raven on Sept 4, 2016 18:59:17 GMT
Personally, I'd love to see Rosalie Craig as Satine. Not sure who I'd pick for Christian though.
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Post by johartuk on Sept 4, 2016 19:23:20 GMT
Satine - Sam Barks Christian - Lee Mead Lautrec - Jon-Jon Briones Green Fairy - Pixie Lott Zidler - Michael Ball
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Post by sophie92 on Sept 4, 2016 22:07:10 GMT
Jamie Muscato is my dream choice for Christian, and has been for a long time as I lived in hope of a stage version eventually happening. He did a lovely (in my opinion) Elephant Love Medley with his Dogfight co-star Laura Jane Matthewson at a charity concert last year - there's a snippet of it here
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Post by westendwendy on Sept 5, 2016 12:46:27 GMT
If this can't fill a 2000+ theatre, then I don't know what can... I can imagine this could fill 2000+ theatres for 6 months, but after that I would expect a dip, only slightly, but in a big theatre that is probably much more noticed.
I don't get this - these theatres have been around for over a century. The reason why the Palladium, Theatre Royal and Dominium are difficult to sell is because the shows there have been RUBBISH or over priced.
If Harry Potter/Frozen/Mormon/Hamilton/Madonna in Kiss of the Spiderwoman were in them - they would sell out for years, so the argument isn't there.
The main problem with the West End is that we unfortunately have just not produced good enough musicals recently.
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Post by zak97 on Sept 5, 2016 12:54:27 GMT
I can imagine this could fill 2000+ theatres for 6 months, but after that I would expect a dip, only slightly, but in a big theatre that is probably much more noticed.
I don't get this - these theatres have been around for over a century. The reason why the Palladium, Theatre Royal and Dominium are difficult to sell is because the shows there have been RUBBISH or over priced.
If Harry Potter/Frozen/Mormon/Hamilton/Madonna in Kiss of the Spiderwoman were in them - they would sell out for years, so the argument isn't there.
The main problem with the West End is that we unfortunately have just not produced good enough musicals recently.
But Harry Potter is selling out because it's the only way to experience the play live, and people are coming from all over the world to see it. I doubt people would fly across the world to see Moulin Rouge. Equally, is Moulin Rouge as popular with a young audience as with the film's original demographic? Harry Potter seems to have a much wider audience base. Equally, Harry Potter sells out because it's a new story, which makes the play sell out for years, as that intrigue fascinates people much more probably than a musical adaptation of a known story.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 12:54:36 GMT
... or shows with a very limited shelf life. After the TV crowds have lost interest, or have their attention taken back to the box for something else, so the box office finds its twiddling its thumbs.
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Post by theatremiss on Sept 5, 2016 13:32:29 GMT
I'd love to see Anna O'Byrne or Laura Pitt-Pulford as Satine and perhaps Bradley Jayden as Christian. I wouldn't want to see Forster in this, he's kept me away from POTO and I don't want to be kept away from this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 14:31:27 GMT
I don't get this - these theatres have been around for over a century. The reason why the Palladium, Theatre Royal and Dominium are difficult to sell is because the shows there have been RUBBISH or over priced.
If Harry Potter/Frozen/Mormon/Hamilton/Madonna in Kiss of the Spiderwoman were in them - they would sell out for years, so the argument isn't there.
The main problem with the West End is that we unfortunately have just not produced good enough musicals recently.
But Harry Potter is selling out because it's the only way to experience the play live, and people are coming from all over the world to see it. I doubt people would fly across the world to see Moulin Rouge. Equally, is Moulin Rouge as popular with a young audience as with the film's original demographic? Harry Potter seems to have a much wider audience base. Equally, Harry Potter sells out because it's a new story, which makes the play sell out for years, as that intrigue fascinates people much more probably than a musical adaptation of a known story. Young audiences don't buy premium tickets. Moulin Rouge is an incredibly popular title.
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Post by westendwendy on Sept 6, 2016 11:44:07 GMT
The problem with the West End is that it's cheap. Well... we have Thriller running - enough said. We don't have the quality control Broadway has.
Another issue is society and social behaviour. The U.K. elite don't see musicals (too snobby), non white audiences rarely go (most audiences are white), the chav culture can't afford to go, train fares cost more than the theatre tickets. America has a far less classless society and musical theatre is part of general mass entertainment.
The amount of people in the UK who turn their noses up when I say how often I go to the theatre is rather shocking!
Break those barriers and alongside the tourists West End theatres would be full.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 6, 2016 12:30:23 GMT
Personally, I'd love to see Rosalie Craig as Satine. Not sure who I'd pick for Christian though. Hadleigh Frasier.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 6, 2016 12:45:28 GMT
But Harry Potter is selling out because it's the only way to experience the play live, and people are coming from all over the world to see it. I doubt people would fly across the world to see Moulin Rouge. Equally, is Moulin Rouge as popular with a young audience as with the film's original demographic? Harry Potter seems to have a much wider audience base. Equally, Harry Potter sells out because it's a new story, which makes the play sell out for years, as that intrigue fascinates people much more probably than a musical adaptation of a known story. Young audiences don't buy premium tickets. Moulin Rouge is an incredibly popular title. No, but their parents do - as a big birthday or Christmas present. You can buy a couple of premium tickets for the price of an Xbox, and it's probably less than the price of the latest iPhone. There's a difference between what someone is willing to pay for a one-off 'event' - which is what Cursed Child is for a lot of people - and what they're willing to pay when they do something more regularly. I'd expect Moulin Rouge to attract a core crowd of musical theatre lovers - I would bet most people who love the film love other musicals as well - who go to the theatre at least once in a while and will be paying for it out of their own pocket. It'll chug along happily I'm sure but I wouldn't expect it to be a huge sensation like Cursed Child. Not unless they pull off some impressive celeb casting!
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Post by andrew on Sept 6, 2016 13:40:01 GMT
If they need some "star names" to boost the cast, the Green Fairy and maybe Zidler may be the best choices for that (although I think Broadbent would be a bit old now for such a physically demanding role every night on stage?) Broadbent didn't do his own singing (or rather it was heavily patched by an opera singer) in the film, he'd never have been up for this on the stage.
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