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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jun 3, 2019 19:20:06 GMT
Third episode... I guess having invested 3 hours I'll watch the rest, but well... It's become a little pedestrian and Whovian for my tastes now. Pedestrian isn’t the word I would use as I think it’s the opposite, with so much plot that character is taking a back seat. I appreciate it’s trying to mimic the populism that it is afraid of but it’s currently at the expense of depth. That may change, of course.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 3, 2019 22:17:20 GMT
I feel the story has dropped off a bit, which perhaps isn't surprising given the high-drama ending of ep1. But I'm still enjoying it and mainly savouring the performances. Kinnear played a blinder in ep3.
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Post by n1david on Jun 5, 2019 10:22:02 GMT
Well, I don’t think Episode 4 could be described as pedestrian.
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Post by Deal J on Jun 5, 2019 10:58:22 GMT
Blimey, that was a shocker! {MAJOR Spoiler - click to view} Even Russell Tovey's mum was shocked, she told RTD off on Instagram!
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Post by sophie92 on Jun 5, 2019 11:20:01 GMT
{Spoiler - click to view}Slightly gutted because I didn’t watch it “live” and a friend tweeted their reaction which was enough for me to know what was coming, even though there technically weren’t spoilers in their tweet. That said, it still left me speechless.
I went to bed crying, thinking about the fact that there are hundreds of people risking and losing their lives every day just trying to make their lives better, just trying to find safety, just trying to live.
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Post by alece10 on Jun 5, 2019 16:15:41 GMT
I have no words.
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Post by missthelma on Jun 5, 2019 18:44:12 GMT
I was coming here to say
{Spoiler - click to view} Too much Tovey, that storyline was really beginning to irritate me. All the attention seemed to be there at the expense of others especially the two sisters.
But now I've watched the whole thing I guess I should feel guilty.
It's certainly a fascinating and gripping watch but am starting to wonder if it's a bit over ambitious and trying to cover just too much in 6 episodes. Are there plans for more does anyone know?
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jun 5, 2019 18:48:03 GMT
I was coming here to say
{Spoiler - click to view} Too much Tovey, that storyline was really beginning to irritate me. All the attention seemed to be there at the expense of others especially the two sisters.
But now I've watched the whole thing I guess I should feel guilty.
It's certainly a fascinating and gripping watch but am starting to wonder if it's a bit over ambitious and trying to cover just too much in 6 episodes. Are there plans for more does anyone know?
Think it's just a limited series and I think that what you complained about was necessary as that'll be the catalyst for the rest of the cast's actions moving forward. Also reading RTD's interview about the episode it sounds like he sisters will be featured more prominently in the next couple episodes.
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Post by sophie92 on Jun 5, 2019 19:25:44 GMT
I was coming here to say
{Spoiler - click to view} Too much Tovey, that storyline was really beginning to irritate me. All the attention seemed to be there at the expense of others especially the two sisters.
But now I've watched the whole thing I guess I should feel guilty.
It's certainly a fascinating and gripping watch but am starting to wonder if it's a bit over ambitious and trying to cover just too much in 6 episodes. Are there plans for more does anyone know?
No there aren’t, RTD has said it has a definite end.
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Post by Latecomer on Jun 5, 2019 20:03:51 GMT
Stunning TV.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 20:33:35 GMT
TV rarely makes me emotional but ep4 has left me feeling quite shellshocked.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jun 6, 2019 1:50:46 GMT
TV rarely makes me emotional but ep4 has left me feeling quite shellshocked. This is the perfect way to describe my reaction. I'm normally an easy crier and it seems like that's been a lot of people's reactions to the episode but I was so devastated by the ending that I couldn't react at all. I just sat there in shock. Such brilliant TV.
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Post by Xanderl on Jun 6, 2019 5:53:29 GMT
Amazing episode. Here's an interesting excerpt from "The Writer's Tale" from 2009 (RTD's book about writing Doctor Who) where he talks about the idea he's had for 20 years (so for 30 years now!) which has now come to fruition in this ...
Can totally see how this "ordinary people like you and me, not just watching it but part of it" leads to the ending of this weeks episode.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 7:35:02 GMT
Amazing episode. Here's an interesting excerpt from "The Writer's Tale" from 2009 (RTD's book about writing Doctor Who) where he talks about the idea he's had for 20 years (so for 30 years now!) which has now come to fruition in this ... Can totally see how this "ordinary people like you and me, not just watching it but part of it" leads to the ending of this weeks episode. Possibly spoiler in there teasing at the (inevitable) direction for the ending.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 6, 2019 7:53:05 GMT
I went to bed crying, thinking about the fact that there are hundreds of people risking and losing their lives every day just trying to make their lives better, just trying to find safety, just trying to live. And enraged, thinking about how so many demonise people in that horrifying kind of situation, to the extent I've even seen people say things like "Good, another X gone"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 18:57:32 GMT
{Spoiler} I went to bed crying, thinking about the fact that there are hundreds of people risking and losing their lives every day just trying to make their lives better, just trying to find safety, just trying to live. {Spoiler} And enraged, thinking about how so many demonise people in that horrifying kind of situation, to the extent I've even seen people say things like "Good, another X gone" Indeed, it's crazy that we've been conditioned en masse to believe these innocent people are a threat and a liability to our safety. T Davies is addressing so much that concerns me currently, I've left left worry about how many years (months) it'll be before Katie Hopkins (Vivienne Rook) is PM.
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Post by drowseychap on Jun 6, 2019 23:57:36 GMT
Was at a Q&A at weekend with me Russel t for the 20th anniversary of queer as folk was great seeing it in a cinema setting .... he said he’s very excited about years and years and wait until episode 4 ? Indicated it would totally mess with our heads 🤪 My post from a few weeks ago ..... well episode 4 certainly did that didn’t it. ... 😱😱😱🤪😢
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Post by Xanderl on Jun 9, 2019 17:50:36 GMT
"Want to feel old? What the kid from Mr Bean's Holiday looks like now will amaze you!"
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Post by crowblack on Jun 9, 2019 19:33:05 GMT
I've just caught up with it (binged the whole lot yesterday and today) and really enjoyed it. A friend said "are you watching Years and Years? This week's episode - I was in bits!" so unfortunately with that semi-spoiler I watched that one looking out for the imminent death signs, but it was still powerful . If Viv Rook's surname was a partial nod to Claire Fox then it's very timely, as the loathsome creature is now a Brexit party MEP here in the North West! where he talks about the idea he's had for 20 years (so for 30 years now!) I loved the big crisp line. He was sitting behind us in Katherine Soper's Wish List at the Manchester Royal Exchange a couple of years ago and I noticed the warehouse overseer's instructions scene made it in to episode 3!
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Post by partytentdown on Jun 9, 2019 19:49:43 GMT
Amazing episode. Here's an interesting excerpt from "The Writer's Tale" from 2009 (RTD's book about writing Doctor Who) where he talks about the idea he's had for 20 years (so for 30 years now!) which has now come to fruition in this ... Can totally see how this "ordinary people like you and me, not just watching it but part of it" leads to the ending of this weeks episode. So with spoilers in mind, how did the Torchwood show end?
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 10, 2019 7:38:16 GMT
So with spoilers in mind, how did the Torchwood show end? It's difficult to answer that in a spoiler-proof way, not yet knowing what the ending of Y&Y will be. You also have to bear in mind that while the Torchwood story set up a terrifying scenario it was able to rely on a sci-fi deus ex machina resolution as is common to the genre, which obviously isn't an option for Y&Y (...or is it?!) During RTD's Doctor Who tenure there was an episode called Turn Left, written by him, which posited an alternative universe in which the Doctor isn't around to help the human race and this leads to a storyline with a similar tone (though exaggerated) to Y&Y.
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Post by lynette on Jun 10, 2019 11:38:17 GMT
I didn’t see you could binge this. I was watching week by week, little ole untechie that I am. It is a good idea as described in the book he write, very good and I think timely. What actually makes it is the acting as some of the dialogue is clunky.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 16:35:52 GMT
I haven't thought about Children of Earth in years. My god that was scarily good! The best scene, that still sticks with me for being f***ING TERRIFYING was the cabinet meeting where they just decided to screw over the children of the poor.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jun 11, 2019 10:41:18 GMT
I haven't thought about Children of Earth in years. My god that was scarily good! The best scene, that still sticks with me for being f***ING TERRIFYING was the cabinet meeting where they just decided to screw over the children of the poor. The show had been flagging and that short intense one-episode-per-weeknight series gave it a major shot in the arm. It really underlined RTD's achievement in making the Doctor Who universe seem much more real and occasionally unnerving. Yes that cabinet meeting scene was superb and unsettling. In general Nicholas Farrell was at his slimy best in that series. My favourite character was government scientist Dekker, played by the wonderful Ian Gelder. He was chummily understated but somewhat sinister. His entry was a very nice touch, with Frobisher's demeanour visibly changing when informed "Mr Dekker is here." Dekker on being asked how he emerged unscathed from a tragic situation - "I just took a step back. A strategy that's always served me well." I honestly think that series might be Peter Capaldi's finest moment. His Frobisher, put in a terrible position by the slippery PM, and riven with tension, is an absolute joy. Time for a re-watching!
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Post by david on Jun 11, 2019 19:20:45 GMT
Finally caught up with this show. Great writing by RTD. Some nice bits of comedy from Emma Thompson, but having just finished watching ep4, that was by far the best one yet (just for the last 15 mins which are just emotionally devastating. I was just not prepared for it).
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Post by n1david on Jun 12, 2019 9:56:44 GMT
I suspect it was to try to make us care about the characters before unleashing hell upon them.
I have no idea how this is going to end, but knowing RTD it’s quite possible that the whole thing can be resolved by a dog with superpowers.
But boy, I’ve enjoyed the ride, for all its faults.
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Post by karloscar on Jun 12, 2019 13:40:06 GMT
Hidden amongst all the character development in the early episodes were things that have become vital to the plot. You have to see it as a whole, not just individual episodes. The future does look bloody depressing. Not sure I'd have opted to have my sight improved when things look that bad!
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Post by lynette on Jun 12, 2019 14:15:25 GMT
I was confused about the sight thing. Nice to chuck that in as it is a serious problem and would be nice to have it curable, of course the money thing lovely bit of satire, or whatever. But is she really cured or or what was that conspiratorial thank you across the laptop from the mum and daughter ?
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Post by crowblack on Jun 12, 2019 15:33:05 GMT
faffing with all the character-driven stuff I didn't get that sense - I bingewatched it all this weekend and loved the characterisation. It didn't seem superfluous.
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Post by crowblack on Jun 12, 2019 16:25:23 GMT
didn't have to wait a week between each? Hard to tell. I caught the latter half of the first episode when it was first broadcast but felt I'd missed out on the 'introductions' to the characters so I was reacting more to the plot - I didn't watch any more because it clashed with Chernobyl, so shelved it for a bit. When I watched from the start this weekend it was the characters that hooked me in and I watched three hours in one sitting, having just intended to watch one because the French Open had a rain delay. I rarely bingewatch (small telly, uncomfy sofa) so it clearly worked for me!
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