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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 11:55:31 GMT
The Sun is a rag of a paper that will write whatever it wants to fit its own agenda.
If a company member was genuinely offended, they should have gone to the production manager and not The Sun. 💰💰
I dare say it wasn't a random out-of-the-blue comment, but rather something fitting of a conversation the dancers were having with her. Context is everything.
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Post by shady23 on Jul 14, 2019 12:11:23 GMT
If it was reported that Jason Donovan had asked which female cast member had the best boobs, you can guarantee that the usual people on here would be up in arms about it. It's shocking that Sheridan Smith should get a pass for the exact same thing. Nobody is getting a pass for anything. None of us knows what went on, if indeed anything did at all. I'm not going to condemn someone on the Internet just because that ridiculous excuse of a newspaper prints something.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 14, 2019 12:32:22 GMT
Let's look at the power imbalance here:
Leading performer v ensemble member Established name v unknown
It is easy to see why it would be hard to make an issue internally
If it is true, it is not acceptable and action should be taken.
And in this litigious age, lawyers would have been all over this before it went to press.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 12:35:05 GMT
And in this litigious age, lawyers would have been all over this before it went to press. Have you ever heard of The Sun?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 14, 2019 13:00:35 GMT
And in this litigious age, lawyers would have been all over this before it went to press. Have you ever heard of The Sun? Do you not possibly think that they would have done due diligence on this or are you just blinded by prejudice against the paper?
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 14, 2019 13:02:43 GMT
Have you ever heard of The Sun? Do you not possibly think that they would have done due diligence on this or are you just blinded by prejudice against the paper? Do you possibly think every word printed in The Sun is true?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jul 14, 2019 13:12:55 GMT
Blaming the messenger is not a good look.
It is wrong to assume The Sun is always right or always wrong.
But on a story like this, they wouldn't risk publication without credible sources and a lot of checking.
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Post by shady23 on Jul 14, 2019 13:14:52 GMT
If you want to know all about this paper and the truth, ask anyone from Liverpool!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 13:17:57 GMT
Have you ever heard of The Sun? Do you not possibly think that they would have done due diligence on this or are you just blinded by prejudice against the paper? Prejudice? 😂 You might want to do some research.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 13:20:37 GMT
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 14, 2019 13:26:07 GMT
Blaming the messenger is not a good look. I’m not blaming the messenger. I’m just questioning your belief that The Sun gives a flying f*ck about the truth! The story could well be true, that’s not the point I’m making. Just that The Sun is not a reliable source of anything.
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Post by cainc on Jul 14, 2019 14:06:15 GMT
Prefer to read forum rather than post, but as this discussion is ongoing thought it useful to note that Smith has denied the allegation earlier on Twitter, writing that 'Unfortunately this is completely made up nonsense yet again'. Not that ends the issue, but it's significant that she has publicly dismissed the story completely.
Also, while I understand valid discussion of power imbalance etc., if someone has been made to feel uncomfortable I do feel that writing into the Sun's showbiz column really isn't the best way of addressing the issues. The issue isn't being treated with any care at all in the shoddily written article.
Tackling inappropriate behaviour in the workplace is a matter of great importance, but in this situation there is currently a lack of credible information.
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Post by xanady on Jul 14, 2019 14:30:25 GMT
If the story is false,then SS has to sue the newspaper for effectively accusing her of being a sex pest.The legal implications suggest that the newspaper is very sure of their position in this case. Btw it was very widely reported that the tour was indeed a ‘car-crash’ in terms of SS’s erratic and manic behaviour on stage.Reports of her flashing her underwear on stage,giving her hotel room number to an audience member,slurring her words,appearing time and time again to be on the point of some complete emotional meltdown etc are incredibly worrying.I became a fan way back with Two Pints Of Lager, but her personal and professional life seems to be in a constant state of turmoil.
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Post by The Matthew on Jul 14, 2019 15:33:15 GMT
To some newspapers lying and then paying compensation is a workable business strategy.
As always in this sort of situation, rather than believing the first thing you hear it's better to wait a while and see how the story develops.
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 14, 2019 16:00:20 GMT
To some newspapers lying and then paying compensation is a workable business strategy. As always in this sort of situation, rather than believing the first thing you hear it's better to wait a while and see how the story develops. Exactly why the way someone people have faith in The Sun is so dangerous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 17:50:43 GMT
As always in this sort of situation, rather than believing the first thing you hear it's better to wait a while and see how the story develops. Like people did in the Tree fallout?
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Post by longinthetooth on Jul 14, 2019 18:22:44 GMT
To some newspapers lying and then paying compensation is a workable business strategy. As always in this sort of situation, rather than believing the first thing you hear it's better to wait a while and see how the story develops. Exactly why the way someone people have faith in The Sun is so dangerous. My late mother always used to say that if it was in the papers, it must be true ....
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Post by Dr Tom on Jul 14, 2019 21:39:22 GMT
Remember The Sun pays people to supply those showbiz stories as well, so there’s an incentive to polish them up a bit.
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Post by shady23 on Jul 14, 2019 21:45:19 GMT
Ironically, Dan Woolton who was the Sun showbiz editor but has now been promoted, (no idea how but his bio on there says how many followers he has on social media, which seems to be the only thing that counts these days) is forever tweeting Shez. More recently to try and do some work together to help those with mental health. What a cheek, I thought, when he used to really tear into people in his column.
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Post by mistressjojo on Jul 15, 2019 1:26:34 GMT
Remember The Sun pays people to supply those showbiz stories as well, so there’s an incentive to polish them up a bit. A few years ago a member of another fan forum I used to frequent tested the tabloids by providing some completely made up story about an actor, to see if they'd do any fact checking at all. She didn't give her name, and made it vague & ridiculous enough not to be defamatory. Surprisingly one tabloid actually printed her story as being verified by 'friends of the actor' (she wasn't - and never said she was) without ever contacting her or the actor in any way. All from a few lines on a Tweet.
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Post by danb on Jul 15, 2019 6:11:42 GMT
To some newspapers lying and then paying compensation is a workable business strategy. As always in this sort of situation, rather than believing the first thing you hear it's better to wait a while and see how the story develops. Exactly why the way someone people have faith in The Sun is so dangerous. My ‘Sun’ horoscope has always been pretty spot on...that’s about the only accuracy and honesty I’ve seen in there. That, and their campaign to only have real boobies on page three, but even they’ve gone. They tend to grab hold of the merest grain of truth and fashion a story around that.
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Post by edi on Jul 15, 2019 14:12:11 GMT
Has anyone had any luck with dayseats for Friday evening shows? Want to take my mum next week and stupidly didn't check my email in time for the lottery confirmation email. If they can't guarantee any I'll just buy them but it's a bit more expensive no more day seats offered by the box office. It's selling well. Even the info on their website has been changed now
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Post by marob on Jul 15, 2019 14:25:54 GMT
Interesting article in the sense that it makes it clear that she was joking and that people laughed. The cynic in me says that's so she can't sue them for making her sound like a sex-pest.
She then apparently took the joke a bit too far, and "all" the male dancers were embarrased and awkward. Really? All of them? Some (not all) of the dancers I've seen on social media don't seem the least bit shy about getting their kit off, which I suppose you can't be when you've got maybe 5 or 6 people sharing a dressing room.
Obviously the fact this appeared in The Sun makes me question whether this actually happened, but it's been picked up by The Mail so it MUST be true...
Also makes me wonder has anyone ever used the word "manhood" outside of an article in The Sun?
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Jul 15, 2019 15:04:33 GMT
Manhood used to come after childhood in my younger day. Adolescence was when a boy was sometimes said to be on the verge of manhood.
So many words have changed their main meaning over the decades. Still can't get used to things described as bad, wicked or sick being praised.
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Post by horton on Jul 15, 2019 15:07:54 GMT
And let's not forget, Smith was TOTALLY truthful during the 'Funny Girl' technical difficulties episode.
It's not just the press that would manipulate the truth to suit them.
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Post by sparky5000 on Jul 15, 2019 15:36:33 GMT
I’m sorry but I don’t trust any story from a paper like The Sun when this article was clearly written with an agenda against Sheridan Smith, because she’s an easy target because of her past troubles. And even if it were true, it’s doesn't even necessarily make this sexual harassment! People are so quick with their outrage these days, it’s so tiring.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 15:59:31 GMT
Sheridan and size-questioning in the same story- whoever would have imagined it? And let's not forget, Smith was TOTALLY truthful during the 'Funny Girl' technical difficulties episode. It's not just the press that would manipulate the truth to suit them.
Really? She was under no obligation to justify herself during that time, or explain her personal issues, to a bullying press.
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Post by shady23 on Jul 15, 2019 16:09:50 GMT
If she responds to every story she will be responding all day everyday and giving them more attention.
If she sues the only thing that will happen is a line apologising, hidden somewhere in the paper. What is the point?
I cannot imagine what it must be like to have to live your life under such unrelenting scrutiny with people searching for things, anything, to try and bring you down.
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Post by xanady on Jul 15, 2019 17:29:01 GMT
^Don’t think anybody on the board should be calling a fellow member a person who is coming across as a ‘pretty horrible person’...I think we should avoid personal comments like this with all due respect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 17:40:14 GMT
^Don’t think anybody on the board should be calling a fellow member a person who is coming across as a ‘pretty horrible person’...I think we should avoid personal comments like this with all due respect. I don't think anybody on the board should be making snide comments about someone's size either. But he did.
But ok, fair enough, I probably shouldn't have written that.
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