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Post by paplazaroo on Aug 31, 2018 9:14:47 GMT
So this opens in a few weeks and colour me intrigued. A highly intuitive Facebook algorithm has been thrusting the ads upon me, and I was initially super confused as they keep referring to the characters as 'powerful deputy' and 'powerless novice'. Initially I wondered if this is Vincentio and Angelo. Then the cast list on the website helped me decipher it - Hayley Attwell and Jack Lowdon share the role of Angelo and Isabella and swap in and out of the characters to question what effect the scenes have when played by a different gender.
Could be cool!
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Post by asfound on Aug 31, 2018 13:58:50 GMT
and swap in and out of the characters to question what effect the scenes have when played by a different gender. Wow, blazingly original. And so brave! (I'm definitely going to see this though). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:02:43 GMT
I jumped on a ticket for this today and then realised I already have something on for that date... Does anyone know how flexible the Donmar is about returns?
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 13:09:07 GMT
The Donmar is not great about returns, people here have reported they've been very reluctant to even sell returns for sold-out shows. You'd be better off trying to sell it on yourself. I don't think they've ever asked me to provide my card when I'm picking a ticket up at the box office, so it should be easy enough for your purchaser to pick up the ticket themselves if you don't have any opportunity to acquire and send the physical ticket yourself.
There seems to be a character in this production called Frederick, but I don't believe Shakespeare ever wrote a Frederick for this play. Who's going first and will be able to report back on this mystery?
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Post by theatremad on Sept 24, 2018 13:14:38 GMT
The Donmar is not great about returns, people here have reported they've been very reluctant to even sell returns for sold-out shows. You'd be better off trying to sell it on yourself. I don't think they've ever asked me to provide my card when I'm picking a ticket up at the box office, so it should be easy enough for your purchaser to pick up the ticket themselves if you don't have any opportunity to acquire and send the physical ticket yourself. There seems to be a character in this production called Frederick, but I don't believe Shakespeare ever wrote a Frederick for this play. Who's going first and will be able to report back on this mystery? Juliet isnt mentioned (I dont think) othet than that no idea |
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Xanderl
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Not always very high value in terms of ticket yield or donations
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Post by Xanderl on Sept 24, 2018 13:14:54 GMT
They will swap for another performance for the same production ...
"Tickets can be exchanged for the same production up to 72 hours in advance, subject to availability."
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 24, 2018 13:22:12 GMT
I am at a loss to work out who Frederick might be. All of the main characters seem to be involved. But perhaps they are bringing in an evil duke from As You Like It just for giggles?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 24, 2018 13:27:39 GMT
The Donmar is not great about returns, people here have reported they've been very reluctant to even sell returns for sold-out shows. You'd be better off trying to sell it on yourself. I don't think they've ever asked me to provide my card when I'm picking a ticket up at the box office, so it should be easy enough for your purchaser to pick up the ticket themselves if you don't have any opportunity to acquire and send the physical ticket yourself. There seems to be a character in this production called Frederick, but I don't believe Shakespeare ever wrote a Frederick for this play. Who's going first and will be able to report back on this mystery? Juliet isnt mentioned (I dont think) othet than that no idea With no Juliet (I hadn't spotted that) - it can only be that Claudio is being condemned to death for sleeping with Frederick. No pregnancy would seem possible under those circumstances! Same number of syllables - so it would work with the verse. |
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Not always very high value in terms of ticket yield or donations
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Post by Xanderl on Sept 24, 2018 13:30:51 GMT
Frederick doesn't appear in Measure for Measure but ...
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Post by markmc on Sept 24, 2018 16:43:40 GMT
I jumped on a ticket for this today and then realised I already have something on for that date... Does anyone know how flexible the Donmar is about returns? Thanks. I was able to return a ticket for Aristocrats last week and also St Nicholas the following week and was able to get a full refund back on my card. |
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Post by lynette on Sept 24, 2018 19:07:24 GMT
Frederick. OMG
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Post by wannabedirector on Sept 29, 2018 22:14:52 GMT
Had never seen Measure for Measure before, now I’ve seen it twice in one evening!
The characters of Angelo and Isabella switch roles just before the interval, the names of their characters remain Angelo and Isabella, the characters just trade places with Isabella becoming the deputy and Angelo the novice. The entire play is retold again, which I didn’t find repetitive at all, although I can see that some might see it that way.
Admittely, I sighed when I first saw period dress, but I really enjoyed the first retelling in its original genders, but I much more enjoyed the modern dress second half. I don’t know if this is because I now knew the play better, whether they were better suited to their characters in the second half or that I’m just more inclined to modern dress. Either way, both Atwell and Lowden brought different things to both their characters, something that I found interesting, in that the second half with Atwell as the deputy felt in ways more about sexual tension than the Lowden deputy, which for me felt more about exerting power rather than pure lust and desire. I found it also was a very thought provoking piece for me, especially in the wake of the Kavanaugh testimony in the US earlier this week. It seems to be a true Me Too play, despite the fact Shakespeare wrote it as a comedy more than four hundred years ago.
I honestly thought the entire thing was great, and although the gender swap can be seen as a bit of a gimmick I think it worked really well and you learnt a lot about the characters by doing it this way. Atwell and Lowden give strong performances, as do the rest of the cast. I’d strongly recommend if you can get tickets, it’s a very good piece of theatre.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2018 22:17:17 GMT
Thanks for the review wannabedirector
Can you clarify what the role of Frederick was?
Ta!
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Post by learfan on Sept 29, 2018 22:32:38 GMT
Had never seen Measure for Measure before, now I’ve seen it twice in one evening! The characters of Angelo and Isabella switch roles just before the interval, the names of their characters remain Angelo and Isabella, the characters just trade places with Isabella becoming the deputy and Angelo the novice. The entire play is retold again, which I didn’t find repetitive at all, although I can see that some might see it that way. Admittely, I sighed when I first saw period dress, but I really enjoyed the first retelling in its original genders, but I much more enjoyed the modern dress second half. I don’t know if this is because I now knew the play better, whether they were better suited to their characters in the second half or that I’m just more inclined to modern dress. Either way, both Atwell and Lowden brought different things to both their characters, something that I found interesting, in that the second half with Atwell as the deputy felt in ways more about sexual tension than the Lowden deputy, which for me felt more about exerting power rather than pure lust and desire. I found it also was a very thought provoking piece for me, especially in the wake of the Kavanaugh testimony in the US earlier this week. It seems to be a true Me Too play, despite the fact Shakespeare wrote it as a comedy more than four hundred years ago. I honestly thought the entire thing was great, and although the gender swap can be seen as a bit of a gimmick I think it worked really well and you learnt a lot about the characters by doing it this way. Atwell and Lowden give strong performances, as do the rest of the cast. I’d strongly recommend if you can get tickets, it’s a very good piece of theatre. Who played the Duke? It's huge role. |
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Post by lynette on Sept 29, 2018 22:33:07 GMT
They do the play twice? The whole play? Please clarify. Ta
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2018 22:35:28 GMT
Had never seen Measure for Measure before, now I’ve seen it twice in one evening! The characters of Angelo and Isabella switch roles just before the interval, the names of their characters remain Angelo and Isabella, the characters just trade places with Isabella becoming the deputy and Angelo the novice. The entire play is retold again, which I didn’t find repetitive at all, although I can see that some might see it that way. Admittely, I sighed when I first saw period dress, but I really enjoyed the first retelling in its original genders, but I much more enjoyed the modern dress second half. I don’t know if this is because I now knew the play better, whether they were better suited to their characters in the second half or that I’m just more inclined to modern dress. Either way, both Atwell and Lowden brought different things to both their characters, something that I found interesting, in that the second half with Atwell as the deputy felt in ways more about sexual tension than the Lowden deputy, which for me felt more about exerting power rather than pure lust and desire. I found it also was a very thought provoking piece for me, especially in the wake of the Kavanaugh testimony in the US earlier this week. It seems to be a true Me Too play, despite the fact Shakespeare wrote it as a comedy more than four hundred years ago. I honestly thought the entire thing was great, and although the gender swap can be seen as a bit of a gimmick I think it worked really well and you learnt a lot about the characters by doing it this way. Atwell and Lowden give strong performances, as do the rest of the cast. I’d strongly recommend if you can get tickets, it’s a very good piece of theatre. Who played the Duke? It's huge role. Nicholas Burns is the Duke |
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Post by learfan on Sept 29, 2018 22:39:11 GMT
Who?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2018 22:39:55 GMT
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Post by wannabedirector on Sept 29, 2018 22:40:36 GMT
Thanks for the review wannabedirector Can you clarify what the role of Frederick was? Ta! So whereas in the original there is Mariana as the lover of Angelo who sleeps with Angelo when he believes her to be Isabella. When the roles swapped Frederick becomes the lover to Isabella who is now the deputy. The digging done above is sort of spot on, Frederick comes from there. Sort of difficult to understand on paper (probably my bad explanation) but on stage it is fine. The actor who plays Frederick in the second half has a minor role in the first, as does Helena Wilson who plays Mariana in the first. Feel free to ask way if I didn’t explain it clearly (I don’t think I did) haha. |
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Post by wannabedirector on Sept 29, 2018 22:42:02 GMT
They do the play twice? The whole play? Please clarify. Ta Yeah, in a revised, probably hugely cut, 90 minute version. Then the roles swap and the play is performed again but in modern dress. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2018 22:42:29 GMT
Thanks
So there is no pregnant Juliet in the Claudio storyline then?
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Post by wannabedirector on Sept 29, 2018 22:43:29 GMT
Had never seen Measure for Measure before, now I’ve seen it twice in one evening! The characters of Angelo and Isabella switch roles just before the interval, the names of their characters remain Angelo and Isabella, the characters just trade places with Isabella becoming the deputy and Angelo the novice. The entire play is retold again, which I didn’t find repetitive at all, although I can see that some might see it that way. Admittely, I sighed when I first saw period dress, but I really enjoyed the first retelling in its original genders, but I much more enjoyed the modern dress second half. I don’t know if this is because I now knew the play better, whether they were better suited to their characters in the second half or that I’m just more inclined to modern dress. Either way, both Atwell and Lowden brought different things to both their characters, something that I found interesting, in that the second half with Atwell as the deputy felt in ways more about sexual tension than the Lowden deputy, which for me felt more about exerting power rather than pure lust and desire. I found it also was a very thought provoking piece for me, especially in the wake of the Kavanaugh testimony in the US earlier this week. It seems to be a true Me Too play, despite the fact Shakespeare wrote it as a comedy more than four hundred years ago. I honestly thought the entire thing was great, and although the gender swap can be seen as a bit of a gimmick I think it worked really well and you learnt a lot about the characters by doing it this way. Atwell and Lowden give strong performances, as do the rest of the cast. I’d strongly recommend if you can get tickets, it’s a very good piece of theatre. Who played the Duke? It's huge role. Yes it’s Nicholas Burns, who does a fab job throughout. Interestingly the Duke doesn’t swap gender so the ending with Angelo as the novice takes on a different dynamic. |
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Post by learfan on Sept 29, 2018 22:44:34 GMT
Glad i passed and will wait for the RSC production next summer.
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Post by wannabedirector on Sept 29, 2018 22:44:54 GMT
Thanks So there is no pregnant Juliet in the Claudio storyline then? No that bit is completely cut. Juliet is mentioned in relation to why Claudio is being sentenced to death but is never seen. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2018 22:47:56 GMT
Thanks So there is no pregnant Juliet in the Claudio storyline then? No that bit is completely cut. Juliet is mentioned but never seen. Thanks I know it is not the greatest role ever written - but always a shame when a Shakespeare production cuts a female character! |
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Post by lynette on Sept 29, 2018 22:55:38 GMT
What about The bloke who refuses to be executed? And Marianna? Sorry to be picky but I need to be prepared.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2018 22:59:03 GMT
Barnadine doesn't appear in the cast list - so I suspect that plot line has gone in order to get to 90 minutes
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Post by wannabedirector on Sept 29, 2018 23:01:19 GMT
What about The bloke who refuses to be executed? And Marianna? Sorry to be picky but I need to be prepared. The character that refuses to be executed is cut, as it that section of the storyline. As for Marianna she is in the first period dress half, and her role is replaced by that of Frederick in the second modern dress half. The idea that Marianna is bequeathed to Angelo and the trick him into sleeping with her rather than Isabella is all there, but she doesn’t have a great many lines. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 29, 2018 23:04:20 GMT
Marianna is a thankless part at the best of times.
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Post by wannabedirector on Sept 29, 2018 23:07:39 GMT
It’s probably just me, but in the second half when Marianna’s character and lines were passed on to Frederick it seems as if he had more lines, or maybe did a little more with them. Either way the character just seems to be a Shakespearean plot device.
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