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Post by mrbarnaby on Sept 14, 2017 18:16:45 GMT
There are many other words those who've worked for him would use...!
But yes he is remarkable, and he's about the only person bothering to invest in his theatres, which he renovates beautifully. Can't wait to see what he's done with the VP.
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Post by steve10086 on Sept 14, 2017 19:55:28 GMT
it was a well put together doc but it totally revised the story of micheal Crawford became the phantom of the oprea . Steve Harley from cockney rebel got cast in the role but unbeknownst to him loyd Webber got cold feet and axed him without warning. Recast the role with micheal Crawford. So that story has been revised to suggest that it was Elaine page who brought up the name micheal Crawford. Elaine Paige?!?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 21:24:20 GMT
I have just caught up with this and enjoyed it.
I have never worked with him so I can't comment on that, but I have seen everything he's produced since Cats. I am lucky enough to have seen an awful lot over the years, and if I'm being honest, an awful lot has been absolute rubbish. I have no idea who produced...
Whilst I haven't enjoyed every show Cam Mack has been involved in (Betty Blue Eyes springs to mind) the quality of the production has always been second to none. He always delivers something of quality.
I admire his approach. He has high standards, seems to demand and expect the best, and tries to deliver that to us. We pay a lot to see a show so I don't see that as a bad thing.
His theatres are a delight to visit too.
I for one am glad we've had him around in our life-time to see some ground-breaking smash hits.
(NB- the programme suggested that Sarah Brightman, not Elaine Paige, had suggested Michael Crawford as the Phantom. I have read this elsewhere. Yes, Steve Harley thought he was lined up but it didn't come to fruition and the rest is history.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 4:18:59 GMT
yeah everything ive ever read and alsi the phantom documentaries have always said it was sarah who suggested him as they shared a singing teacher when they were looking to replace steve
i thought it was a good documentary with some new bits of information (said to hear it looks like Martin Guerre is done with). just wish they had covered more of his post saigon shows
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 15, 2017 6:31:35 GMT
I have just caught up with this and enjoyed it. I have never worked with him so I can't comment on that, but I have seen everything he's produced since Cats. I am lucky enough to have seen an awful lot over the years, and if I'm being honest, an awful lot has been absolute rubbish. I have no idea who produced... Whilst I haven't enjoyed every show Cam Mack has been involved in (Betty Blue Eyes springs to mind) the quality of the production has always been second to none. He always delivers something of quality. I admire his approach. He has high standards, seems to demand and expect the best, and tries to deliver that to us. We pay a lot to see a show so I don't see that as a bad thing. His theatres are a delight to visit too. I for one am glad we've had him around in our life-time to see some ground-breaking smash hits. (NB- the programme suggested that Sarah Brightman, not Elaine Paige, had suggested Michael Crawford as the Phantom. I have read this elsewhere. Yes, Steve Harley thought he was lined up but it didn't come to fruition and the rest is history.) Personally I loved Betty Blue Eyes And yes, the documentary implied that it was Sarah Brightman and not Elaine Paige that suggested Michael Crawford as the Phantom.
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Post by loureviews on Sept 15, 2017 6:58:35 GMT
it was a well put together doc but it totally revised the story of micheal Crawford became the phantom of the oprea . Steve Harley from cockney rebel got cast in the role but unbeknownst to him loyd Webber got cold feet and axed him without warning. Recast the role with micheal Crawford. So that story has been revised to suggest that it was Elaine page who brought up the name micheal Crawford. True and Harley remains extremely bitter about the experience. It would have been quite a different Phantom with him and I'm sorry, promotional single aside, that we never got to see it.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 15, 2017 7:01:47 GMT
it was a well put together doc but it totally revised the story of micheal Crawford became the phantom of the oprea . Steve Harley from cockney rebel got cast in the role but unbeknownst to him loyd Webber got cold feet and axed him without warning. Recast the role with micheal Crawford. So that story has been revised to suggest that it was Elaine page who brought up the name micheal Crawford. True and Harley remains extremely bitter about the experience. It would have been quite a different Phantom with him and I'm sorry, promotional single aside, that we never got to see it. If that's the case then perhaps it explains why he finds himself whitewashed out of the story these days. Possibly time for him to get over it? If the single is anything to go by it was the correct choice.
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 15, 2017 7:51:01 GMT
Personally, I don't like Alan Yentob an interviewer or his presentation style.
I knew that Cameron Mackintosh was gay and that his mother was Maltese (this is my family heritage) and that he was in Oliver! but it was interesting to learn about his father and see both his mother (who in my opinion didn't have a Mediterranean 'look' about her) and his partner (I had no idea that he was Australian) being interviewed.
It was also interesting to see that HUGE shed with all the costumes, sets and props.
Also, such beautiful gardens.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 8:54:55 GMT
I was very surprised to see Betty in his props shed. I wonder if that was the animatronic version because i thought you'd have been able to hire it when you licence the show.
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 15, 2017 13:23:18 GMT
There appeared to have been more that one pig in the house
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 13:43:13 GMT
A pig? In the house??
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 15, 2017 14:00:57 GMT
A pig? In the house?? Pig! No pig,
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Post by alece10 on Sept 15, 2017 15:56:20 GMT
A pig? In the house?? More like a pig in the very large barn
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 16:18:22 GMT
A pig? In the house?? More like a pig in the very large barn 'A pig, in the house' is a line from Betty Blue Eyes, that anthony40 and i were referencing. And now because of the bad english thread, I'm wondering if Anthony and i is correct english!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 16:25:22 GMT
More like a pig in the very large barn 'A pig, in the house' is a line from Betty Blue Eyes, that anthony40 and i were referencing. And now because of the bad english thread, I'm wondering if Anthony and i is correct english! 'Tis correct!
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Post by alece10 on Sept 15, 2017 16:27:08 GMT
More like a pig in the very large barn 'A pig, in the house' is a line from Betty Blue Eyes, that anthony40 and i were referencing. And now because of the bad english thread, I'm wondering if Anthony and i is correct english! Yes I know. It's a musical I am very familiar with. I was trying to be funny but guess it didn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 16:33:30 GMT
Never mind the pig in the house, I notice that Alan Yentob didn't bring up the elephant in the room. Instead it was kept out in the garden!
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Post by Honoured Guest on Sept 16, 2017 10:59:50 GMT
Certainly he has done amazing things, and taken huge quality theatre round the world. That's what I thought, before watching the programme. But when you see his entire career laid out together in this programme, you realise he's produced a load of crap, albeit to high, perfectionist, standards.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 11:37:47 GMT
it was a well put together doc but it totally revised the story of micheal Crawford became the phantom of the oprea . Steve Harley from cockney rebel got cast in the role but unbeknownst to him loyd Webber got cold feet and axed him without warning. Recast the role with micheal Crawford. So that story has been revised to suggest that it was Elaine page who brought up the name micheal Crawford. I noticed this complete omission of the Harley factor also. Except it was Brightman not Elaine Paige that suggested Crawford.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 11:38:30 GMT
Never mind the pig in the house, I notice that Alan Yentob didn't bring up the elephant in the room. Instead it was kept out in the garden! Must be pretty amazing to have the set from touring productions of Les Mis, Phantom, Cats etc all in your back yard.
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Post by gra on Sept 16, 2017 11:53:19 GMT
Certainly he has done amazing things, and taken huge quality theatre round the world. That's what I thought, before watching the programme. But when you see his entire career laid out together in this programme, you realise he's produced a load of crap, albeit to high, perfectionist, standards. Could you elaborate? I can think of very few CM productions I would describe as 'crap'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 12:24:03 GMT
That's what I thought, before watching the programme. But when you see his entire career laid out together in this programme, you realise he's produced a load of crap, albeit to high, perfectionist, standards. Could you elaborate? I can think of very few CM productions I would describe as 'crap' I think they're referring to subject matter or the basis for alot of productions.... eg Cats - basically a compilation of songs, without any real story, sung by adults in cat costume. Starlight - Adults on Rollerskates pretending to be trains racing. Not exactly War & Peace.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 13:19:46 GMT
cameron didnt produce starlight.
People may mock cats now but it was revolutionary at the time and he took a massive risk. Im not sure it would get produced today if it were a new musical
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Post by Honoured Guest on Sept 17, 2017 10:51:19 GMT
Cameron Mackintosh's lifelong enthusiasm for the theatre was inspired by Salad Days.
I saw the Union Theatre's production of Salad Days last week at Theatre Royal Bath, and his love of this show should have been a dreadful warning to everyone of the worthless content which is to his taste.
I can't get the Salad Days tunes out of my head now...
It would have been so much more worthwhile if Cameron Mackintosh had lavished his talents on intelligent theatre.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 13:45:34 GMT
Worthwhile to you personally, to theatre-lovers, or to the human race in general? I would imagine it's been financially worthwhile to him. After all, not all of us can afford to have a garden big enough to fit an elephant in. But he does.
At least you regonise the fact that he has some talents. Probably more than a lot of us on here. I mean, I don't suppose he spends much time sitting around on his arse thinking up witticisms to post on the internet. He's either putting on a show, or sitting on his arse drinking champagne, probably in that big garden in the summer months.
If only we were all intelligent enough to understand your point...
Some things seem way, way better from down here.
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Post by gra on Sept 17, 2017 14:46:06 GMT
Cameron Mackintosh's lifelong enthusiasm for the theatre was inspired by Salad Days. I saw the Union Theatre's production of Salad Days last week at Theatre Royal Bath, and his love of this show should have been a dreadful warning to everyone of the worthless content which is to his taste. I can't get the Salad Days tunes out of my head now... It would have been so much more worthwhile if Cameron Mackintosh had lavished his talents on intelligent theatre. Not sure if this post is pro or anti 'Salad Days' The fact is this musical ran for more than 2000 performances in the 1950s. It resonated with the public mood only a few years after the war when innocent, gentle escapism and singable tunes were appreciated in musical theatre. I can definitely understand how it inspired the young Cameron.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 14:47:03 GMT
Edit: I meant 'recognize', of course... I told you I wasn't intelligent.
But I'm still enjoying life from down here. You can very often see what others can't. For instance, I bet you can't see your own head up your arse.
I can.
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Post by Honoured Guest on Sept 17, 2017 15:20:29 GMT
For instance, I bet you can't see your own head up your arse. No one can see their own head, can they?
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Post by danb on Sept 17, 2017 15:38:55 GMT
I'm lost in double negatives here...
Above all else, regardless of opinions of his productions, he puts his money where his mouth is and has rescued many a dillapidated theatre from falling down. Not only do his own shows have high production values, but you'll often find that 'The Mackintosh Foundation' has had a producing hand in stuff that would not have got off the ground otherwise.
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Post by Jon on Sept 17, 2017 16:45:04 GMT
Cameron's work on his theatres is impressive and it always continue to improve them, The Novello and Prince of Wales are much better than what they like previously and even the ones with more minor refurbs like the Noel Coward or the Wyndham's are fantastic. I think his commitment to restoring his theatre kickstarted over theatre owners to do the same
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