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Post by Honoured Guest on Oct 30, 2017 9:49:35 GMT
Quite a few BBC actors are in the same position, their attempt to avoid income tax and National Insurance payments by setting themselves up as service companies (prompted by the BBC themselves it has to be said) has been disallowed. What's a BBC actor? Is there such a thing as an ITV actor? It's actors, who presumably work for whoever will pay them, who are doing this (and newsreaders and others) and people such as the head of the Student Loans Company, the former Head of IT of HM Tax and Revenue, ironically. A BBC actor is an actor working on a production for BBC television. Over 100 BBC on-air stars who used Personal Service Companies to avoid paying National Insurance are under investigation by HMRC, and Robert Glenister was the Test Case. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4980342/Hustle-star-Robert-Glenister-stung-150k-tax-bill.html
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Post by Jan on Oct 30, 2017 11:33:30 GMT
They avoided both income tax and employees NI, and the BBC avoided employer’s NI. I have some sympathy with the talent as according to Paxman the BBC obliged them to set up in that way.
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Post by bellboard27 on Oct 30, 2017 11:50:31 GMT
The fainting collapse may be unrelated to his tax avoidance. Everyone else pays NI contributions, most of us without fainting. Where's my smelling salts?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 12:14:41 GMT
Most of us pay our NI contributions on a month-by-month basis, I think anyone would be prone to swooning if they were asked to pay ten years at once in a single sitting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 12:26:02 GMT
Quite a few BBC actors are in the same position, their attempt to avoid income tax and National Insurance payments by setting themselves up as service companies (prompted by the BBC themselves it has to be said) has been disallowed. What's a BBC actor? Is there such a thing as an ITV actor? It's actors, who presumably work for whoever will pay them, who are doing this (and newsreaders and others) and people such as the head of the Student Loans Company, the former Head of IT of HM Tax and Revenue, ironically. I think an ITV actor is the same as a BBC actor but they can't go from job to job. They need a break in between.
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Post by Jan on Oct 30, 2017 13:30:16 GMT
What's a BBC actor? Is there such a thing as an ITV actor? It's actors, who presumably work for whoever will pay them, who are doing this (and newsreaders and others) and people such as the head of the Student Loans Company, the former Head of IT of HM Tax and Revenue, ironically. I think an ITV actor is the same as a BBC actor but they can't go from job to job. They need a break in between. If they'd genuinely been freelance during the tax year involved and worked for both ITV and BBC then they would have been OK - the problem arises when people are effectively BBC staff working for no-one else and then set up as a company. I'm a bit surprised actors are being caught by this as by the nature of their job you would think they are available to work for different employers.
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Post by bordeaux on Oct 30, 2017 14:42:26 GMT
I think an ITV actor is the same as a BBC actor but they can't go from job to job. They need a break in between. If they'd genuinely been freelance during the tax year involved and worked for both ITV and BBC then they would have been OK - the problem arises when people are effectively BBC staff working for no-one else and then set up as a company. I'm a bit surprised actors are being caught by this as by the nature of their job you would think they are available to work for different employers. I see, thanks. I must admit it seems odd that the BBC employs actors these days; I would have thought every actor was pretty much self-employed even if they only appear in BBC shows in one particular year. I thought we'd been moving for a couple of decades to a situation where most BBC work/lots of programmes were outsourced.
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Post by n1david on Oct 30, 2017 15:10:36 GMT
I think an ITV actor is the same as a BBC actor but they can't go from job to job. They need a break in between. If they'd genuinely been freelance during the tax year involved and worked for both ITV and BBC then they would have been OK - the problem arises when people are effectively BBC staff working for no-one else and then set up as a company. I'm a bit surprised actors are being caught by this as by the nature of their job you would think they are available to work for different employers. There’s also the issue that so much TV is now made by independent production companies. “Ashes to Ashes” was made by Kudos for the BBC, so I would have expected his contract would have been with them and not the BBC directly, although I don’t know how contracts are typically written in this area. This makes it even more likely that he would work for multiple companies during any tax year. I’m an independent consultant (in a non creative field) and work for several companies over the course of the year and my PSC has never been challenged. General wisdom is that it starts to become an issue if you work for one company and only one company for over 18 months (although there are persistent rumours of the policy being tightened). I see more of an argument for,say Paxman or Huw Edwards to be employees as they have or had a regular gig, whereas an actor might work for a BBC series for six months and then not again for several years. But then, I am not a lawyer, accountant or HMRC investigator.
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Post by Jan on Oct 30, 2017 15:30:15 GMT
Yes, depends on the actor’s contract, you might think only a soap actor would be caught up on this. I knew someone who worked via a service company 100% for a single employer for 30 years representing quite a loss to the exchequer. Can’t see that Glennister’s bill should be a problem, this play should be lucrative for him ?
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Post by ali973 on Oct 30, 2017 18:23:21 GMT
Really? I can't see any day seats/25 for any show. It's crazy that the cheapest ticket in the stalls is 55.
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Post by floorshow on Oct 30, 2017 20:39:52 GMT
If they'd genuinely been freelance during the tax year involved and worked for both ITV and BBC then they would have been OK - the problem arises when people are effectively BBC staff working for no-one else and then set up as a company. I'm a bit surprised actors are being caught by this as by the nature of their job you would think they are available to work for different employers. There’s also the issue that so much TV is now made by independent production companies. “Ashes to Ashes” was made by Kudos for the BBC, so I would have expected his contract would have been with them and not the BBC directly, although I don’t know how contracts are typically written in this area. This makes it even more likely that he would work for multiple companies during any tax year. I’m an independent consultant (in a non creative field) and work for several companies over the course of the year and my PSC has never been challenged. General wisdom is that it starts to become an issue if you work for one company and only one company for over 18 months (although there are persistent rumours of the policy being tightened). I see more of an argument for,say Paxman or Huw Edwards to be employees as they have or had a regular gig, whereas an actor might work for a BBC series for six months and then not again for several years. But then, I am not a lawyer, accountant or HMRC investigator. Its all about IR35 at the moment, big public sector/quango clampdown.
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 31, 2017 13:38:54 GMT
Ashes to Ashes was Philip Glenister, not Robert. There should be a law against siblings going into the same profession and/or having the same surname!
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Post by n1david on Oct 31, 2017 14:35:50 GMT
Ashes to Ashes was Philip Glenister, not Robert. There should be a law against siblings going into the same profession and/or having the same surname! Oops. No point in me claiming I just picked that as a random series, is there?
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Post by japhun on Nov 2, 2017 14:08:51 GMT
Watching today’s matinee!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 16:24:11 GMT
Watching today’s matinee! I was there also Sorry to have missed you
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Post by Phantom of London on Nov 2, 2017 22:07:40 GMT
If there was a swear box on the stage, it would be overflowing and some, David Mamet is the master of the "f" bomb, no doubt about that, subtlety is something he doesn't do. In this play that is slightly sexist, slightly misogynist and slightly racist, however it is also very brilliant, how Mamet capture the dog eat dog, cut throat Salesman's office, where everyone is out to earn a nickel and a dime, whatever the consequences, no matter whos toes or more accurately whos head you stand on.
Saw the first 2 scences, that had a scintillating Robert Glenister, Oliver Ryan, Stanley Townsend and Don Warrington in it and you feel Christian Slater is on next, how is he going to eclipse these performances? He cuts the mustard alright and he is rather ruthless and excellent, here he breathes fire into the charachter he's playing, you feel he would stitch up his own grandmother and on this superb performance, you wouldn't bet against him doing so.
Saw this on Broadway 5 years back with Al Pacino. This was that performance, this is this performance and it was is miles better.
5 Stars.
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Post by argon on Nov 3, 2017 0:29:46 GMT
Slater & Townsend impressives performance the rest just didn't manage to reach their level.
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Post by hulmeman on Nov 11, 2017 7:47:56 GMT
A quote from the Daily Mirror web page: "Hustle actor Robert Glenister broke down onstage during a performance of Glengarry Glen Ross in London on Friday night, according to audience members. The 57-year-old sparked worry among theatregoers who said the curtain came down and the performance was paused for half an hour before his co-star Christian Slater came back out to make an announcement."
I hope he recovers well.
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Post by Xanderl on Nov 11, 2017 9:10:53 GMT
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Post by Boob on Nov 12, 2017 14:56:28 GMT
I really hope he has a speedy recovery. His is the real standout performance in this production, which I found beyond tedious.
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Post by lonlad on Nov 14, 2017 7:28:41 GMT
Glenister far and away the best one in it -- anyone know whether he was back on last night?
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Post by freckles on Nov 14, 2017 21:35:45 GMT
I hope he’s OK, he was very good. I thought they all were, the only weak link for me was Kris Marshall who just didn’t seem quite right. I really wasn’t sure I was going to like this, only went along as my other half was keen to see it. But enjoyed the fact that the dialogue created all the “action”. The writing reminded me a bit of Aaron Sorkin, whose work I greatly enjoy.
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Post by floorshow on Nov 15, 2017 22:41:46 GMT
Saw it tonight. Glennister still indisposed, nice opportunity for an understudy to chew some scenery, thought Mark Carlisle did well - particularly the restaurant stuff with Don Warrington.
Kris Marshall is playing a pretty thankless role, there isn't much more he could do with it - he is literally the straight man.
Slater and Stanley Townsend are a decent double act, Shelley's tale in the second half is the definitely the highlight.
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Post by Stasia on Nov 16, 2017 7:44:36 GMT
Glenister far and away the best one in it -- anyone know whether he was back on last night? Mark Carlisle is supposed to be on for the rest of this week, if that helps.
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Post by n1david on Nov 20, 2017 21:58:39 GMT
Glenister still out tonight. Don’t have much to say about the play as was rather distracted. The first time I’ve been physically threatened in a theatre during the play. Never liked Mamet, don’t plan on seeing anything of his again
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 22:02:29 GMT
Glenister still out tonight. Don’t have much to say about the play as was rather distracted. The first time I’ve been physically threatened in a theatre during the play. Never liked Mamet, don’t plan on seeing anything of his again It was quite a strange house tonight. A lot of talking throughout the play and a woman who got up (to go to the loo halfway through) then came back - presumably because she was told that she would not be readmitted. People had to stand up to let her back in. I wonder if the actors found it distracting.
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Post by n1david on Nov 20, 2017 22:26:39 GMT
Thanks but not sure if you have given it was an audience member who threatened me. I’ve posted in the Bad Behaviour thread. It’s not directly connected to the play so probably doesn’t belong here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 22:28:47 GMT
Thanks but not sure if you have given it was an audience member who threatened me. I’ve posted in the Bad Behaviour thread. It’s not directly connected to the play so probably doesn’t belong here. I heard something going on. I'll have a look at the bad behaviour thread
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Post by Marwood on Nov 23, 2017 15:53:28 GMT
Got myself a £85 stall seat for next week, reduced to £25 - I've going to see this mainly because of the presence of Christian Slater in the cast: I wasn't overly impressed by the Pacino version I saw in Broadway but it will be to see what Slater brings to the role of Ricky Roma (played by Bobby Cannavale when I saw it). Who knows, if Slater gets to hear Don Warringtons Rising Damp anecdotes, we might get to see him doing Rupert Rigsby on the stage after Ricky Roma?
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Post by Polly1 on Nov 23, 2017 15:57:31 GMT
Got myself a £85 stall seat for next week, reduced to £25 - I've going to see this mainly because of the presence of Christian Slater in the cast: I wasn't overly impressed by the Pacino version I saw in Broadway but it will be to see what Slater brings to the role of Ricky Roma (played by Bobby Cannavale when I saw it). Who knows, if Slater gets to hear Don Warringtons Rising Damp anecdotes, we might get to see him doing Rupert Rigsby on the stage after Ricky Roma? No, come on, there's only one person who could re-create Rigsby - Ralph Fiennes of course (he already does it in most of his other roles!)
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