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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 11:28:03 GMT
I don't appreciate the condescending 'Dr Emily' in that post. There's no need for that.
And it's hard to be 'glass half full' when you have little hope of securing your own home, are job hunting every 6 months and with it taking pay cuts with at every new job. I've worked incredibly hard both at study and the roles I'm in, but increasingly without an 'in' and personal connection or 'leg up' it's once again incredibly difficult to get a job. And as a working class kid, funny enough I don't have many of them. I'm not proud and I've always taken whatever job I can to get by. But 10 years out of undergrad with nothing to show for it, unemployment again it's very difficult to sit here and take they 'got to be optimistic' view.
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Post by Xanderl on Jul 11, 2017 13:06:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 13:08:37 GMT
Can we have a Thriller tribute show next?!
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jul 11, 2017 13:56:43 GMT
House prices, student loan repayments and post-Brexit economic fluctuations, that's what worries me, tibidabo. Hopefully a property crash will re-set the market, but I'm not holding my breath. I think we already do have that fourth type, and always have - first it was the inheriting aristocracy, and now, as you say, the rest of the self-made's offspring. I'm not wading in on the Ms Price issue. But I have to speak out and agree with Monkey there. So many people attempting to follow the 'good' or 'traditional' way of get education/train find a job/start at the bottom and work your way up. Just doesn't happen any more. It's more like a game of endless snakes and ladders. Get a job, fixed term contract and/or company has a cull, back to square one. The 'lateral' moves are hard to come by and you end up starting in a new place, at the bottom again. Meanwhile the traditional 'rise to the top' via hard work route is also shrinking with jobs etc.
Add to that rising rents, house market that's impossible to break into without a relative dying and I'm sorry but that middle group is fast becoming a generation of high skilled low paid workers.
I say this as someone both very (too much I admit) educated but also with 10 years plus admin/specialist experience who in 6 weeks will be probably working back in Starbucks again for want of any other options.
I'm of a generation which had student grants, no loans or tuition fees, even got housing benefit and benefits during the summer (was it supplementary benefit?). Yet, too many who had similar that I know see no connection between where they are and what they were given to help them get there. Not just incomprehension but a belief that they would have got there anyway. I could never have got to university and prospered without the above but such rampant egotism is why we are where we are I'm afraid. That's not even mentioning those who went into buy to let. For the latter they say they did it because 'Brown took our pensions away' and that they are within their rights to put the burden onto those who are left with little choice but to pay the inflated rents they charge. Not their choice, forced to do it, you see. One thing the class system had was that it was sustainable because it moved from generation to generation, now what we have has societal collapse inbuilt and the next decade or so will have to see massive changes to try and stop it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:01:03 GMT
See this is the other thing that gets me. I (and many others of my age group- I'm technically a 'Millennial' but just barely) are accused of 'blaming' the generation before or saying that had it easy or whatever. We're not. I don't resent anyone 'ahead of' or 'above me' who got their unless they're literally a Royal who got handed it or similar. We're just here saying 'hey we're a bit f***ed here' and the world has changed and the rules have changed and we're just trying to bloody well figure out how to have a job and a place to live.
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jul 11, 2017 14:11:01 GMT
See this is the other thing that gets me. I (and many others of my age group- I'm technically a 'Millennial' but just barely) are accused of 'blaming' the generation before or saying that had it easy or whatever. We're not. I don't resent anyone 'ahead of' or 'above me' who got their unless they're literally a Royal who got handed it or similar. We're just here saying 'hey we're a bit f***ed here' and the world has changed and the rules have changed and we're just trying to bloody well figure out how to have a job and a place to live. We actually did have it easy. I agree that we can't be blamed for benefitting so much at the time but we should be blamed when not accepting that we did so or for putting the responsibility of sorting it onto succeeding generations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:17:26 GMT
See this is the other thing that gets me. I (and many others of my age group- I'm technically a 'Millennial' but just barely) are accused of 'blaming' the generation before or saying that had it easy or whatever. We're not. I don't resent anyone 'ahead of' or 'above me' who got their unless they're literally a Royal who got handed it or similar. We're just here saying 'hey we're a bit f***ed here' and the world has changed and the rules have changed and we're just trying to bloody well figure out how to have a job and a place to live. We actually did have it easy. I agree that we can't be blamed for benefitting so much at the time but we should be blamed when not accepting that we did so or for putting the responsibility of sorting it onto succeeding generations. Can't fault you for that attitude at all! Wish more folks could acknowledge that, and try and help give a leg up to those left behind!
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Post by johartuk on Jul 11, 2017 14:19:01 GMT
I also won't wade back into the Katie Price debate. I dont completely disagree with monkeys reasoning for respecting her and it is the media thats placed her where she is. Sure, as a businesswoman she has done very well to exploit the opportunities gifted her through this. She is still deep down the person she was before she became famous and that isnt a groip of characteristics I would hold up as role model worthy. That's my stance too. I'm not saying she's a bastion of morality and someone to be aspired to in terms of the means she got started with BUT I do respect what she's made of herself out of nothing. And that she's clearly a shrewd businesswoman. And on the other hand at least she's open and honest about how she used her 'assets' to get where she is (or at least get started!) I don't see that as much different to going on a talent show or similar. Katie Price is a classic example of being famous for selling every wind breakage to the media and for using her children to get attention for herself. Thanks to her and her ilk, we're now overrun by z-listers, whose only 'job' appears to be getting together with other z-listers, breeding, using the resulting offspring to make them £££££ via celeb mag photospreads and stories, splitting up (yet more £££££ to be made from selling the juicy details), getting together with a new z-lister...etc. Being a regular in the Daily Fail's 'Sidebar Of Shame' is what these people aspire to, and sadly, they use Katie Price as a template! The 'TV Talent Show' analogy is an interesting one, but for every fame seeker who auditions for a TV talent show, there are many more who have training/experience in their chosen field and who want to work as a singer or get into musical theatre or whatever. The TV Casting Shows illustrate the point well. Pretty much everyone who ended up getting through to the live shows (and many who didn't) had previous training/experience. I can only think of one person from those shows who's gone down the z-list route (Stephanie Davis). Everyone else seems to be getting on with their lives and careers without feeling the need to 'flaunt their bikini bodies', 'flash their pins', 'have a wardrobe malfunction' or 'slam someone' (usually on twitter) in the SoS!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:25:35 GMT
For clarity I meant the types of people who go on Britain's (not) got Talent and X Factor without a discernible talent to show for it and then cash in on being a novelty etc. Not the folks who are actually talented using it as a platform. So your Jewards and the like of the world. So in that light getting your knockers out for the fail vs embarrassing yourself for youtube views aren't that different.
A genuine person in need of a break is of course another matter and shouldn't be conflated.
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Post by infofreako on Jul 11, 2017 18:01:11 GMT
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 11, 2017 18:03:16 GMT
O.M.G. That should have come with a warning! (Edit: Sorry - it kind of did infofreako. Was reading too fast) I think that's the end of the discussion personally. Just UGH. Over and out.
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Post by d'James on Jul 11, 2017 18:57:16 GMT
Oh dear. Can't believe they've given her another show. I thought she criticised Peter Andre for continuing to have their kids filmed by cameras; maybe it was just there were no offers for her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 19:39:20 GMT
Also (this is WAY off topic now but since we're down the rabbit hole) I've always felt really sorry of Andre. Yes he married her, yes he's an idiot for that BUT he seems like a fairly decent guy. And dedicated to the kids (including the one that isn't his) And as the Smash Hits Tour 1997 attests, he could do a pretty decent concert back in the day. Not that I'd know. Obviously.
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Post by SageStageMgr on Jul 11, 2017 21:19:18 GMT
Also (this is WAY off topic now but since we're down the rabbit hole) I've always felt really sorry of Andre. Yes he married her, yes he's an idiot for that BUT he seems like a fairly decent guy. And dedicated to the kids (including the one that isn't his) And as the Smash Hits Tour 1997 attests, he could do a pretty decent concert back in the day. Not that I'd know. Obviously. I remember when you had credibility! ;-)
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Post by kathryn on Jul 11, 2017 23:01:29 GMT
Also (this is WAY off topic now but since we're down the rabbit hole) I've always felt really sorry of Andre. Yes he married her, yes he's an idiot for that BUT he seems like a fairly decent guy. And dedicated to the kids (including the one that isn't his) And as the Smash Hits Tour 1997 attests, he could do a pretty decent concert back in the day. Not that I'd know. Obviously. I went to a Peter Andre concert once. A friend had a spare ticket she offered to me for free and I agreed to go with her for a giggle and so she wouldn't be on her own. He actually put on a pretty decent show - mainly of other people's music! The support act was terrible, though. It was this folksy duo whose claim to fame was that they'd once supported The Osmonds on tour - and announced this as if the audience of under-30s they were playing to would actually be impressed, in between seemingly endless renditions of obscure folksy guitar and fiddle music. Totally misjudged.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 23:18:57 GMT
I've never been a fan of Peter's music but he has always seemed a decent guy and good family fan. Katie Price when she first started as Jordan was naturally attractive, but has been through such a crazy car crash lifestyle since, I think "Oh no not her again" when she is on the TV.
But she has made money out of her brand so fair play to her.
I wonder how long it will be before her two children by Peter eventually get their own show - the two younger Jenner girls started out as extras on Keeping up with the K's.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 7:52:19 GMT
Also (this is WAY off topic now but since we're down the rabbit hole) I've always felt really sorry of Andre. Yes he married her, yes he's an idiot for that BUT he seems like a fairly decent guy. And dedicated to the kids (including the one that isn't his) And as the Smash Hits Tour 1997 attests, he could do a pretty decent concert back in the day. Not that I'd know. Obviously. I remember when you had credibility! ;-) haha I genuinely went because my best friend wanted to. I had zero credibility in the 'pop music knowledge' stakes.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 14, 2017 12:48:05 GMT
Always the drama with Katie
It wouldn’t be anything to do with the fact that the theatre was going to be half empty and she couldon’t be arsed... obvs.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 14, 2017 12:59:05 GMT
12 rows of seats sold.
Not sure what she could do in a show or is it one of those gruesome someone is interviewing her type things?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 14, 2017 13:01:48 GMT
Ask @theatremonkey he’s a big fan!
Birmingham is looking the same. Stalls half empty, nothing sold upstairs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 13:06:51 GMT
Ask @theatremonkey he’s a big fan! Birmingham is looking the same. Stalls half empty, nothing sold upstairs. Nothing up top doesn't sound like Katie Price.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 13:19:28 GMT
Reminds me of ‘Bungalow Boys’. That’s what we used to call the male PE teachers when we were at school: nothing upstairs but plenty on view downstairs.
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Post by johartuk on Oct 14, 2017 20:05:21 GMT
Always the drama with Katie It wouldn’t be anything to do with the fact that the theatre was going to be half empty and she couldon’t be arsed... obvs. Nice of her to drag one of her kids into it. Last time she postponed, it was her poor mother she used as an 'excuse'! What next? "Sorry I have to cancel tonight's show, but it's down to circumstances beyond my control, involving my husband and the takeaway he ordered, which hasn't been delivered!" or "Sorry I have to cancel tonight's show, but it's down to circumstances beyond my control, involving my dog and six bars of chocolate!"
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Post by shady23 on Oct 14, 2017 21:26:15 GMT
Our local venue has "Elvana".
A Nirvana tribute band led by an Elvis impersonator.
I feel I must see this!
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 16, 2017 13:37:18 GMT
I don't read The Sunday People, honest, but I did see the headline. Whether it's true or not, who knows, but the story was that someone had threatened to kidnap Harvey. With the greatest of respect, if someone was going to kidnap one of Katie Price's children, it wouldn't be Harvey, would it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 14:06:23 GMT
I don't read The Sunday People, honest, but I did see the headline. Whether it's true or not, who knows, but the story was that someone had threatened to kidnap Harvey. With the greatest of respect, if someone was going to kidnap one of Katie Price's children, it wouldn't be Harvey, would it? I wouldn't have thought so but stranger things have happened. For example, Katie has managed to spell 'unfortunately' correctly AND use the apostrophe in the right place for 'tonight's show'... Her maths isn't bad either: she managed the right number of kisses for the number of people who had purchased tickets for the show.
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Post by kathryn on Oct 16, 2017 14:10:17 GMT
I don't read The Sunday People, honest, but I did see the headline. Whether it's true or not, who knows, but the story was that someone had threatened to kidnap Harvey. With the greatest of respect, if someone was going to kidnap one of Katie Price's children, it wouldn't be Harvey, would it? I wouldn't have thought so but stranger things have happened. For example, Katie has managed to spell 'unfortunately' correctly AND use the apostrophe in the right place for 'tonight's show'... Her maths isn't bad either: she managed the right number of kisses for the number of people who had purchased tickets for the show. Oh, I know I shouldn't laugh but this here is some top-class snark.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 14:14:01 GMT
'Top-class', eh? Please mention this to Tibidabo as I think she's had me in the bottom set for a bit too long now.
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Post by Tibidabo on Oct 16, 2017 14:24:24 GMT
Her maths isn't bad either: she managed the right number of kisses for the number of people who had purchased tickets for the show. Brilliant! Can't stop giggling! 'Top-class', eh? Please mention this to Tibidabo as I think she's had me in the bottom set for a bit too long now. Oh definitely time to move up @caiaphas. Into the hippos you go. (You move up to giraffes when you learn to multi-quote.)
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Post by TallPaul on Oct 17, 2017 13:04:17 GMT
What flavour sticker does @caiaphas get, Miss?
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