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Post by d'James on Jun 8, 2017 14:09:14 GMT
I'm so pleased to read this. I'll be really interested to watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 14:14:08 GMT
Woooo!!!!!!!Really excited from all the reviews and it seems like my cup of tea. Super happy it is also on bbc and not sky so I won't be sad about missing it.
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 13, 2017 0:20:43 GMT
Feud Season 2 will be about Charles and Diana.
Gosh, who to cast?
Looking at the Murphy stable, I think Joseph Fiennes or Neil Patrick Harris as Charles, Lily Rabe or Diana Agron (she's a dead ringer, but can she act?) as Diana, Frances Conroy as the Queen and Gwyneth Paltrow as Camilla Parker Bowles.
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Post by stefy69 on Jun 13, 2017 7:19:10 GMT
Woooo!!!!!!!Really excited from all the reviews and it seems like my cup of tea. Super happy it is also on bbc and not sky so I won't be sad about missing it. Yes, excellent news, really really pleased
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Post by ali973 on Jun 14, 2017 5:10:00 GMT
I'm slightly less excited about Feud II but more into Ryan Murphy's American Crime Story about Gianni Versaci. Penelope Cruz is Donatella. Bring on the camp!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 1, 2017 8:55:21 GMT
Go Oilivia!
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Post by Tibidabo on Jul 1, 2017 8:56:54 GMT
^"On the eve of her 101st birthday...."
Um....how long do lawsuits take?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 9:00:26 GMT
I love Olivia. At 101, I don't think I could be bothered to make the effort. She's a queen.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 1, 2017 9:03:04 GMT
She looks fabulous in that pic doesn't she?
I suppose the argument for sueing isn't about personal gain, but to stop people like Murphy taking liberties in the future.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 16, 2017 17:09:05 GMT
Bumpety bump! It's tonight!🔫🔪🐤(<- That was the only bird I could find....)
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Post by alece10 on Dec 16, 2017 22:00:57 GMT
Just watched episode 1. It's fab and not in the slightest bit camp!!!
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 17, 2017 0:27:07 GMT
Greatly enjoyed episodes 1 and 2, just shown back to back on BBC2. Anyone for a Pepsi?
One thing that struck me is that seeing all those Hollywood women smoking looks totally natural and does not jar, as it often does when seen in other contexts.
It is reported that Olivia de Havilland's lawsuit is being fast tracked. It's great that she's bothering...good luck Olivia!
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 17, 2017 22:36:32 GMT
Watched episode 1. I liked it a lot, but didn't love it (yet?) as much as I'd hoped I would, though it's nicely set up for ep. 2 which I am looking forward to.
Lordy, but Catherine ZJ is some crappy actress.
Jessica Lange's strange stretched mouth kept side-tracking me. I'm not yet convinced with her Joan, but feel I could be soon. Amazing how, try as I might, I cannot see anything of Frances or Julie from Tootsie. (I think that's probably a compliment!)
But hell's bells Susan Sarandon! What a tour de force! She IS Bette Davis. The eyes of course, but the voice from the moment she began to speak was uncanny. Then there was that stance, followed by the loping walk away from camera when she first appeared to everyone as Baby Jane Hudson. Absolutely brilliant.
Did people really stand off stage holding a drink and a lit cigarette ready for stars when they came off stage in Hollywood? Really?
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 18, 2017 13:56:38 GMT
But hell's bells Susan Sarandon! What a tour de force! She IS Bette Davis. The eyes of course, but the voice from the moment she began to speak was uncanny. Then there was that stance, followed by the loping walk away from camera when she first appeared to everyone as Baby Jane Hudson. Absolutely brilliant. I totally agree. Jessica Lange is 'representing' Joan Crawford quite effectively, but Susan Sarandon indeed really IS Bette Davis. Every detail is frighteningly accurate. Wow!
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Post by Snciole on Dec 19, 2017 13:44:53 GMT
^"On the eve of her 101st birthday...." Um....how long do lawsuits take? I bet she is immortal. It is making a point that she is still around and knows what really went down in old Hollywood. Kirk Douglas is another a lot of people are desperate to see pass because you can't libel the dead.
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Post by TallPaul on Dec 19, 2017 14:14:18 GMT
desperate to see pass because you can't libel the dead. You're obsessed with people dying!!! (Don't worry, I've got undertaking in my genes, so don't have the slightest problem with death.)
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Post by Snciole on Dec 19, 2017 14:23:33 GMT
Ha! It is that morbid time of year where all the celeb deaths start coming through because the temperature drops, then rises so bugs and illnesses spread. I haven't had my winter cold yet so I might be next. I've conceded Kirk will outlive me, maybe pushing me out the way to get to his interval booze along with all the other elderly theatre people I have wronged I also read too many gossip sites about Old Hollywood...
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 19, 2017 22:10:10 GMT
I've now watched 3 episodes. I love the sets and costumes so much, especially Hedda's hats. I want a Mamacita of my own for Christmas please, somebody?.
Oh, and when I grow up I want to be Hedda Hopper.
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Post by foxa on Dec 20, 2017 17:24:28 GMT
I binge-watched this and highly recommend - the last three episodes perhaps being the very best. Both Sarandon and Lange do amazing jobs. There is a heart-breaking section when Crawford is in England filming something called 'Trog' and writing a lifestyle book. The editing in that section is extraordinary.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 21:02:28 GMT
I binge-watched this and highly recommend - the last three episodes perhaps being the very best. Both Sarandon and Lange do amazing jobs. There is a heart-breaking section when Crawford is in England filming something called 'Trog' and writing a lifestyle book. The editing in that section is extraordinary. I binged on it too. I don’t watch much TV but I thought this was excellent. So sad to see what happens (still?) to older performers and the pain they have to face in constantly being compared to their younger selves. I also loved the accuracy of the storytelling. I had to fact check a few of the events and they were all true!
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 24, 2017 1:36:57 GMT
Today (Saturday 23 December) I have binged on Crawford and Davis, having watched a BBC documentary on the two stars, episodes three and four of 'Feud', 'Mildred Pierce' and 'Whatever Happened to Baby Jane'. All brilliant, and my admiration for 'Feud' has now increased greatly after seeing the other three shows with the actual actresses themselves. Even before I see the remainder of 'Feud' I am ready to give the Best Actress Award for 2017 jointly to both Jessica Lange and Susan Sarandon, especially realising now just how accurately Jessica Lange is portraying Joan Crawford – better than I originally thought.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 24, 2017 8:59:09 GMT
I am ready to give the Best Actress Award for 2017 jointly to both Jessica Lange and Susan Sarandon, especially realising now just how accurately Jessica Lange is portraying Joan Crawford – better than I originally thought. I'm a bit ahead of you Tony, somewhere in Louisiana, and am enjoying it far, far more than I did after the first episode, which dragged for me somewhat. However, I cannot agree with you about Jessica Lange, sadly. OK, she's not Catherine ZJ hammy dreadful, and I can't put my finger on what it is I don't like about her performance, but I'm not enjoying her in the same way I am Susan Sarandon, Alfred Molina, Judy Davis and Jackie Hoffman. I also saw the BBC documentary you mention and thought it was a great insight, hearing the two of them talk about each other after Baby Jane. (I had to laugh at the quote attributed to Bette when asked to comment on the news of Joan's death, which I hadn't heard before. Something about her saying that you should only speak good of the dead. Then adding: "Good. She's dead.") The sets and costumes continue to fascinate me. Hedda's hats and jewellery deserve an award. I love the wallpaper in the Aldrich's bedroom and the Crawford teal lamps and accessories. The plastic on the sofas reminds me of the first time I visited my brother and sister-in-law-to-be many years ago and remarked how much I liked their newly arrived dining suite (I really, really didn't!) only to be told that they had had it for 4 years! Ooops! And they didn't even have children. Mucky gits! Oh, and who knew Frank Sinatra was such a diva?
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Post by foxa on Dec 24, 2017 12:16:44 GMT
tonyloco - isn't'Mildred Pierce' wonderful? - that sounds like a really enjoyable bit of binge viewing you've done.
And I agree that the first episode of 'Feud' is the weakest, Tibidabo, but disagree about Lange. I thought she was absolutely brilliant in the last two episodes, when she is trying to make the best of a terrible situation in a way that I found incredibly poignant. Like Tony, I think it's toss up for me - both Sarandon and Lange are great.
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 24, 2017 12:57:07 GMT
I am greatly looking forward to seeing the remaining four episodes of Feud but not sure whether to watch them on the iPlayer on my PC or wait for them to come on my smart TV, on which I am unable to get the iPlayer for various inscrutable technical reasons that I don't understand.
Like Tibidabo, I am fascinated by all the wonderful detail in every aspect of the production of Feud, and the little gems like Frank Sinatra's behaviour are priceless. If I may digress, I loved Robert Aldrich's annoyance that he had to go to New York to see 'My Fair F***ing Lady', which was sort of the 'Hamilton' of its day, and I remembered a joke that was doing the rounds when MFL was the hottest ticket on Broadway:
A man sitting in the stalls notices an empty seat between him and the next man. The first man asks why the seat is empty and is told that it was bought by the second man for his wife but she died. 'Oh' says the first man. 'What a pity. Couldn't you give the ticket to a member of your family or a friend?' 'No' says the second man. 'They are all at the funeral'.
Also, foxa, I agree that 'Mildred Pierce' is wonderful. Two solid hours of Joan Crawford, the whole Joan Crawford and nothing but Joan Crawford. Definitely a virtuoso performance that deserved the Oscar, not so much for great acting in the conventional sense but for great Joan Crawfording! If only Bette Davis's 'Now Voyager' had also been on the TV it would have completed the total immersive experience!
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Post by tonyloco on Dec 24, 2017 13:32:09 GMT
PS Here's something for tmesis and Mr Snow.
On the sound track of 'Mildred Pierce' (music by Max Steiner) I noticed a bit of 'It can't be wrong'. Wiki says this melody was originally written by Steiner for the soundtrack of the Bette Davis film 'Now Voyager' in 1942. When the film was finished, Kim Gannon wrote lyrics and the song was published as 'It can't be wrong'. On composing the score for 'Mildred Pierce' in 1945, Steiner used snatches of 'It can't be wrong' in several scenes.
There was one small musical detail in 'Mildred Pierce' that jarred, namely that Ann Blyth as Mildred's wayward daughter Veda, sang the 1912 song 'The Oceana Roll' as a cabaret act in a restaurant. 'Mildred Pierce' is set in the 1930s during the great depression and I felt that the very jolly ragtime song 'The Oceana Roll' was not the kind of number that anybody would have been singing in a cabaret act in a restaurant at that time....but what do I know?!
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 26, 2017 10:21:36 GMT
Well, I've finished watching this and I agree that it just gets better and better as the series progresses. I'm still not sure about Jessica Lange though and I think I've worked out what it is. Her portrayal of Crawford is great. That's not what's bothered me. But I think, honestly, it's the work she's had done to her face. I really struggle when faces don't twist in the way you'd expect them to when someone is emoting. Recent, dreadful, plastic works of note are Stockard in Apologia and Amanda in last year's Palladium panto. I really don't understand actresses who do this to their faces. Surely we all get more from watching Dames Julie W, Judi, Imelda, etc?
Also, the red lipstick of the day was used on cupid bow mouths, not on collagen stretched ones and that was also a bit weird, and not just on Miss Lange.
However, an enjoyable and informative romp and I hope it wins lots of awards.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 11:50:40 GMT
Well, I've finished watching this and I agree that it just gets better and better as the series progresses. I'm still not sure about Jessica Lange though and I think I've worked out what it is. Her portrayal of Crawford is great. That's not what's bothered me. But I think, honestly, it's the work she's had done to her face. I really struggle when faces don't twist in the way you'd expect them to when someone is emoting. Recent, dreadful, plastic works of note are Stockard in Apologia and Amanda in last year's Palladium panto. I really don't understand actresses who do this to their faces. Surely we all get more from watching Dames Julie W, Judi, Imelda, etc? Also, the red lipstick of the day was used on cupid bow mouths, not on collagen stretched ones and that was also a bit weird, and not just on Miss Lange. However, an enjoyable and informative romp and I hope it wins lots of awards. I agree with you that actors should avoid plastic surgery. I saw a film with Geena Davis recently (Marjorie Prime) and thought her great. performance would have been even more effective if the signs of natural ageing were more visible on her face. One of the joys of following actors is to observe them moving through the life cycle. I actually thought (perhaps controversially) that Lange seemed a bit too old for the role -I thinks she is 70(?) while Crawford was in her fifties when she made WHTBJ. Lange is great but it is a different life stage and it shows on screen - the surgery makes her seem even older, like a woman whose beauty faded many years ago. In her fifties a woman (even a beautiful one like JC) is written off because she can no longer compete with younger women even though the experience she has accrued make her a formidable screen presence. It is a huge transition point and this must be even more acute for someone whose beauty was so publicly celebrated. In the real JC at this stage you see the palimpsest of her youth overwritten by her developing alcoholism. Personally,I love seeing older faces on screen. Look at how beautiful Judi Dench is. Actors who resort to surgery deny their audience the opportunity to witness and reflect on the life cycle that is the very stuff of drama.
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Post by tonyloco on Jan 7, 2018 0:40:06 GMT
Tonight we saw the final two episodes of 'Feud' and I am really in bits. As Tibidabo said, it just got better and better as it went along and Jessica Lange's performance was really tremendous as the ageing Crawford. I thought the imaginary dinner party at the end was a stroke of genius and was typical of the high quality of the writing and directing throughout the whole series. As noted before, all the production details were first rate and I am already feeling deprived now that it has ended. It should scoop the pool for whatever awards are given for the best in TV – it could have been ghastly but it was in fact magnificent.
But at least we still have Dame Olivia de Havilland's lawsuit to look forward to!
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