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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 31, 2016 12:16:14 GMT
More pointless gongs doled out to priveleged people who are already handsomely paid for doing the jobs they love.
I refer to the entertainment and sports awards of course, I'm extremely happy for ordinary people doing extraordinary things for their community or for charity to be honoured. But Sir Andy Murray? Are you KIDDING me? Victoria Beckham OBE for services to fashion? Excuse me? Maggie Philbin who presented Tomorrow's World in the 80's for "services to technology" WHAAAAAT?
Please scrap this utter fiasco and find away of recognising people who actually deserve it.
Love 'n hugs Grumpy Burly x
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Post by julian on Dec 31, 2016 12:20:32 GMT
Agreed
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 31, 2016 12:26:45 GMT
Vicky Beckham, aka (in our house) The Scowl on a Stick, has gone into that compartment in my brain alongside Trump and Brexit. Every time I remember them I have to breathe into a brown paper bag.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 13:36:41 GMT
And still nothing for The Chuckle Brothers. Despicable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 13:40:47 GMT
Am I the only one surprised and slightly scathing about Rylance taking a gong from a Govt he presumably objects to after making such a thespy fuss about the RSC taking oil sponsorship?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 31, 2016 14:15:02 GMT
Am I the only one surprised and slightly scathing about Rylance taking a gong from a Govt he presumably objects to after making such a thespy fuss about the RSC taking oil sponsorship? Amazing how they turn when there's a title at stake isn't it.
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Post by Polly1 on Dec 31, 2016 14:21:29 GMT
Am I the only one surprised and slightly scathing about Rylance taking a gong from a Govt he presumably objects to after making such a thespy fuss about the RSC taking oil sponsorship? I'm sure I read somewhere (on some list) that he had turned down a knighthood? Same list also said SRB had turned one down which if also untrue means he has been scandalously overlooked again!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 14:28:24 GMT
Am I the only one surprised and slightly scathing about Rylance taking a gong from a Govt he presumably objects to after making such a thespy fuss about the RSC taking oil sponsorship? I'm sure I read somewhere (on some list) that he had turned down a knighthood? Same list also said SRB had turned one down which if also untrue means he has been scandalously overlooked again! I DEMAND to see Sir SRB!
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Post by vdcni on Dec 31, 2016 14:29:12 GMT
I don't really understand what's wrong with Sir Andy Murray given he's our greatest living sportsman.
Even though I don't think sportsman should be made Knights or Dames until they retire the precedent of Hoy and Wiggins made it inevitable after the year he's had.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 14:44:38 GMT
Julie Walters needs to become a dame, I think it's bad how she hasn't become one yet. She's got a CBE so Dame is next one up.
Also SO shocked how Celia Imrie hasn't got an MBE. She's appeared in loads of good films and less famous actresses have got an MBE over her. Same goes for Julia Mackenzie - surprised she isn't OBE.
Also thought Kelley Hawes was deserving of an OBE after her stunning and dramatic performances in Line of Duty and The Missing.
Anyway so glad Naomie Harris got an OBE!! Such an underrated actress who is amazing. Hope to see her continue in James Bond as well as more films and stage roles!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 31, 2016 14:55:44 GMT
Oh per-lease
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 15:05:07 GMT
I was surprised to see Rylance there, given his activism, but very pleased he accepted.
i understand why some people are offended by gongs, but it's hard to deny that those at the top of their professions are inspiring the next generation, and they often had to work darn hard to get there. I don't see the harm in recognising that.
Gongs for donors, on the other hand...
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Post by lynette on Dec 31, 2016 15:16:54 GMT
Well at least Helen McCrory has something, an MBE I think. Not sure but something. SRB ? Well... there you go. Perhaps it is an age thing? How old is Mark Rylance? Older? Just musing.
But the problem comes up every year doesn't it? Should you receive an honour for the job you do because you do it really well or should you do something else too, like massive charity work or some kind of ambassadorial position for the UK? Top civil servants still get honours for just doing their jobs. Sportsmen and women have to win international glory but some do get big financial rewards from their work. Actors are not rich ( unless they do a lot of top movie work) but do engage with the public. I like it when honours go to people who start and stick with charities, volunteers who get absolutely no money from what they but are doing stuff nobody else wants to do. I wish they gave more publicity to these, like the woman who has fronted the leukaemia charity in memory of her daughter.
The only justification for honouring theatre and sport is that it means we think these are important parts of our culture. So I'll go with that and hope that SRB sees it that way eventually.
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Post by Polly1 on Dec 31, 2016 15:27:21 GMT
Interesting commments), Lynette.
SRB is a year younger than Rylance and a month younger than Kenneth Branagh. So maybe his turn soon? I am clinging to the hope that it just hasn't been offered yet and he will accept if it is.
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Post by Tibidabo on Dec 31, 2016 15:33:02 GMT
Julie Walters needs to become a dame, I think it's bad how she hasn't become one yet. She's got a CBE so Dame is next one up. Also SO shocked how Celia Imrie hasn't got an MBE. She's appeared in loads of good films and less famous actresses have got an MBE over her. Same goes for Julia Mackenzie - surprised she isn't OBE. Also thought Kelley Hawes was deserving of an OBE after her stunning and dramatic performances in Line of Duty and The Missing.
Anyway so glad Naomie Harris got an OBE!! Such an underrated actress who is amazing. Hope to see her continue in James Bond as well as more films and stage roles! I've started a campaign (See Time Capsule thread.) Completely agree.
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Post by Jan on Dec 31, 2016 15:42:35 GMT
Am I the only one surprised and slightly scathing about Rylance taking a gong from a Govt he presumably objects to after making such a thespy fuss about the RSC taking oil sponsorship? Oh no, the famous republican anti-war campaigner Sir David Hare explained it very carefully to all us stupid people who accused him of hypocrisy when he accepted his knighthood from Blair - you see the award wasn't for him personally at all, it was for the profession as a whole so he magnanimously and generously accepted on behalf of them all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 15:55:55 GMT
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Post by alece10 on Dec 31, 2016 16:36:24 GMT
Who is SRB?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 16:56:03 GMT
Simon Russell Beale. (Who I agree is equally deserving of the honour, if he wishes to accept it.)
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Post by alece10 on Dec 31, 2016 17:03:20 GMT
Simon Russell Beale. (Who I agree is equally deserving of the honour, if he wishes to accept it.) Thank you.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 31, 2016 17:32:09 GMT
I notice Andy Murray was tweeting that it's a great day for Scotland this morning. Not Britain, obviously. God forbid he should acknowledge that. Do people not actually make the connection to the B.E bit of these awards? It's BRITISH EMPIRE. I wonder if all the people who have happily accepted them would be able to stand up and say what that actually means, and perhaps more interestingly whether they agree what it stands/stood for. One Olympian, the disabled swimmer I forget her name, said on TV last week that when she got the letter after 2012 she didn't have a clue what it was talking about and her Nan had to explain it "was a prize from the Queen".
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Post by peggs on Dec 31, 2016 18:34:05 GMT
Interesting commments), Lynette. SRB is a year younger than Rylance and a month younger than Kenneth Branagh. So maybe his turn soon? I am clinging to the hope that it just hasn't been offered yet and he will accept if it is. I assumed Mark Rylance had got one due to Wolf Hall and the Oscar? Not that he has suddenly become very good or hit the required time for doing good theatre work to merit it but that he's now a 'name' in a way that SRB isn't? I mean he's very well known in theatre but hasn't done tonnes in film or tv has he, or at least not things that have suddenly got non theatre people going well he's good. I sort of vaguely assume that for 'famous' people they, the government? want the general public to have heard of them so if you're a name it's more likely? That clearly isn't true in all cases but the cynical bit of me suspects it helps. In the newspaper bits i've read whilst it's an award for services to theatre they bang on more about his tv and film work cos clearly he didn't really exist pre the wider world worked out who he was through those mediums
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Post by Honoured Guest on Dec 31, 2016 18:38:44 GMT
SRB ? Well... there you go. Perhaps it is an age thing? How old is Mark Rylance? Older? Just musing. Has SRB done anything beyond acting and a little tv presenting? Mark Rylance is also a writer, a director, an artistic director and a public commentator. And he's known internationally through cinema.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 31, 2016 19:19:19 GMT
SRB ? Well... there you go. Perhaps it is an age thing? How old is Mark Rylance? Older? Just musing. Has SRB done anything beyond acting and a little tv presenting? Mark Rylance is also a writer, a director, an artistic director and a public commentator. And he's known internationally through cinema. Ask 100 people in the street who Mark Rylance is and I bet no more that 15 would be able to tell you. If that.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 1, 2017 10:47:03 GMT
Posts removed due to offence caused to several members. Please stay on topic.
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Post by cat6 on Jan 1, 2017 16:53:23 GMT
Can I jump in to say I'm very pleased for Raymond Douglas Davies (I told you 3 years ago how terrific "Sunny Afternoon" is!) and Katherine Patricia Routledge. I hope the Queen is up and about for their investiture. Happy 2017, everyone!
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Post by loureviews on Jan 1, 2017 21:42:39 GMT
Was very pleased about Patricia Routledge, Mark Rylance, Ray Davies, Bryn Terfel and of course Doddy!
I don't have a problem with people accepting (or not); sometimes it is just a reflection of the impact of a career - although I agree that sportsmen and women may be honoured a little too early when compared with their counterparts in entertainment and theatre.
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Post by n1david on Jan 1, 2017 22:43:58 GMT
Interesting to see that HMQ obviously wasn't too annoyed about King Charles III as both Piggot-Smith and Rupert Goold got gongs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 7:47:49 GMT
I'd say I'd anything its the other way around, people in entertainment get recognised far too early. Sir Mark Rylance, i mean really?!
Sportsmen and woman have a much shorter career length, many retiring in their 30s or earlier depending on their sport. plus for many the Olympics is the pinnacle of their respective sport and that only comes around every 4 years. Id say the sports ones are more than justified.
I like the honours on the whole, especially in a world obsessed with talentless celebrities its nice that the country recognises talent and hard work. yes there are a few issues (party donors etc) but it would be sad if they didn't exist
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Post by lynette on Jan 2, 2017 16:52:03 GMT
I'd say I'd anything its the other way around, people in entertainment get recognised far too early. Sir Mark Rylance, i mean really?! Sportsmen and woman have a much shorter career length, many retiring in their 30s or earlier depending on their sport. plus for many the Olympics is the pinnacle of their respective sport and that only comes around every 4 years. Id say the sports ones are more than justified. I like the honours on the whole, especially in a world obsessed with talentless celebrities its nice that the country recognises talent and hard work. yes there are a few issues (party donors etc) but it would be sad if they didn't exist You make a good point about the short run of a sportsperson but therein lies the brunt of the argument. The people who deserve honours are those who continue to support and work for their sport, community etc as time goes on. It could be paid employment as coaches or regulation committees but some idea of going over and above is what justifies an honour. Same with theatre folk I think. One that amuses me is Ken Dodd who fulfils the old codger award this time. But his reaction was heartfelt and sweet unlike Andy M whose reaction didn't come up to the usually good standard PR statement. But in in the end you can't measure inspiration, can you?
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