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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 1:30:59 GMT
I was wondering would anyone be interested in getting rid of the international section? Personally I find it to be the most pointless section and threads get lost in the section. Maybe a simple online poll to decide or is it something the admins decide. Just a suggestion.
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Post by d'James on Dec 5, 2016 1:47:45 GMT
Why does it bother you? If you don't like it, don't visit it. I think it would be annoying to have all the different threads about the same shows in different countries together.
Surely it's easier to navigate the way it is now?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 2:02:25 GMT
Valid point, I just find it frustrating that threads I would like to keep an eye on get lost in there. This is all as I said it was only a suggestion. I understand I'm
Probably just being awkward. Sorry.
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Post by ali973 on Dec 5, 2016 2:02:46 GMT
I agree, I'd get rid of it. Suffice to say, these are international musicals, so why not just consolidate and have one musical thread to begin with instead of making this thread London-centric.
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Post by d'James on Dec 5, 2016 2:22:16 GMT
Valid point, I just find it frustrating that threads I would like to keep an eye on get lost in there. This is all as I said it was only a suggestion. I understand I'm Probably just being awkward. Sorry. Hey, it's an opinion board, you're not being awkward by having one. I genuinely think it's better the way it is at the moment. I don't believe it's London-centric, it is UK-centric because it's UK based and it just so happens that there are a lot of theatres in London. If you had all musicals (across the globe) in one thread, it'd make it harder to find the thread you're looking for. |
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Post by The Matthew on Dec 5, 2016 5:34:04 GMT
The reason we have an International section is because people were complaining that threads about shows outside the UK were getting buried under all the discussion of local shows. What specific problem do you have?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 5:47:58 GMT
I kind of wish the Broadway stuff was merged into the musicals section. I know it is technically international but it's so linked to London, with many of the productions/actors crossing over. Like the Broadway production of Hamilton has been discussed numerous times in the musicals thread, but Gypsy with Imelda, Groundhog Day etc. have two separate threads. I don't necessarily mind as much with Broadway shows that haven't been in London in the past or have no definite plans to in the future but for the ones that have, I'd like them in this section.
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Post by Michael on Dec 5, 2016 6:31:33 GMT
Valid point, I just find it frustrating that threads I would like to keep an eye on get lost in there. This is all as I said it was only a suggestion. I understand I'm Probably just being awkward. Sorry. How can threads get lost there? Quite the contrary, as this section is not as busy as Musicals they don't disappear as quickly as they would if they were in the Musicals section. |
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Post by Michael on Dec 5, 2016 6:36:15 GMT
Why does it bother you? If you don't like it, don't visit it. I think it would be annoying to have all the different threads about the same shows in different countries together. Surely it's easier to navigate the way it is now? This. I think it's much better and clearer to have everything non-UK in another section. I was wondering would anyone be interested in getting rid of the international section? Personally I find it to be the most pointless section and threads get lost in the section. Maybe a simple online poll to decide or is it something the admins decide. Just a suggestion. I find Opera&Dance and especially the Plays section the most pointless sections, but that doesn't make me propose to close them as other members find them useful. No-one forces me to read them (luckily, we have other staff that do  ) I kind of wish the Broadway stuff was merged into the musicals section. I know it is technically international but it's so linked to London, with many of the productions/actors crossing over. Like the Broadway production of Hamilton has been discussed numerous times in the musicals thread, but Gypsy with Imelda, Groundhog Day etc. have two separate threads. I don't necessarily mind as much with Broadway shows that haven't been in London in the past or have no definite plans to in the future but for the ones that have, I'd like them in this section. I did propose to move the Hamilton thread to international and start a new one in Musicals for the London production, but my dear colleagues outvoted me, so blame them I think the reason behind this was that this thread was already about both and it was hard to spilt it up. So basically, everything UK related (irrespective of it being London, UK tour or a regional show) into Musicals (or Plays), and everything else into International. |
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Post by Michael on Dec 5, 2016 6:56:48 GMT
Oh, and shouldn't this entire thread be in the Feedback section anyway?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Dec 5, 2016 7:12:35 GMT
I don't like. If I had my way it would be no more
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Post by The Matthew on Dec 5, 2016 7:43:29 GMT
Are there any problems other than "I don't like having to look in different sections?" When the forum was first set up there was no International section and people kept complaining because discussions about different productions were getting tangled up in the same thread or because there were multiple threads for productions and they didn't know which one to use. Those were actual problems, so if the International section is to be removed again those problems need to be solved first
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Post by Paul on Dec 5, 2016 8:07:53 GMT
The international section is the only thing I dislike about this forum. As soon as I see a topic or post has been moved to the international section I lose all interest in it. I'm all for being organised - my email inbox has folders and sub folders galore, but if it's a musical why can't it just be in the musical section without filtering things down even more?
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Post by Michael on Dec 5, 2016 8:14:29 GMT
The international section is the only thing I dislike about this forum. As soon as I see a topic or post has been moved to the international section I lose all interest in it. I'm all for being organised - my email inbox has folders and sub folders galore, but if it's a musical why can't it just be in the musical section without filtering things down even more? I fail to understand how one can lose interest in a subject or show only because it's in a different section. And why don't think about this forum as your inbox folder? As Matthew has said, many international threads would quickly disappear in the Musicals section because they are not as heavily discussed as others. Personally, I think the International section is great and I'd also support separating Musicals even more (into London, Regional and Touring) - but that proposal has already been rejected I'm afraid. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 8:59:26 GMT
I think it's perhaps the idea that less people check those sections so there's less discussion about shows that might otherwise get some interesting comments. I know I usually just check Musicals, General Discussion and sometimes Plays if I've seen any of them. The only time I look in the others is when I see a thread of interest show up on the 'last post' section. They're just easy to forget for some reason.
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Post by Michael on Dec 5, 2016 9:01:08 GMT
The just start checking International as well, it's just one more click  |
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Post by Paul on Dec 5, 2016 9:04:42 GMT
This is a prime example of why my posts should not be quoted before midday, at least.
That was worded very badly. I don't lose interest in a subject because it is in a different section, I will just not view or participate in the thread very often as it is somewhere I don't normally look. 97% of my time on this forum is in the musical section. The other 3% is in the general section or looking for musicals in the international thread.
Personally, the only topics I would have in the International section would be for shows that don't have English as the first language.
I love this forum and hope no one takes my post as a personal attack on anyone who enjoys the International section, I just don't share the same opinion.
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Post by talkstageytome on Dec 5, 2016 9:05:55 GMT
^exactly Michael.
I personally like to check the international board, but as I'm uk based and will probably not see 99% of the shows discussed on there I don't have anything useful to add to the discussion.
I get the impression that the majority of board members are in the same boat, hence the lack of activity. Therefore moving all posts into one thread will only mean international posts get buried faster.
It is a shame though. Maybe the answer it just to encourage board users to check the international board more frequently?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 9:07:22 GMT
I see your point. Threads in the international section are often neglected. However I also see the admins' point of it being organized. Maybe making an international subsection within the musical section is an option? However this might bury the international threads even further because it's a subsection.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 9:43:13 GMT
Yes I was just about to suggest a subforum. Those are usually listed at the top of the each section and would draw people's attention more.
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Post by Michael on Dec 5, 2016 9:55:14 GMT
Re the subforum: Our intention was to discuss international Musicals, Plays and Operas in this one section, hence one general International section rather than three international Musicals, international Plays and international Operas subsections.
Personally, I'm fine either way (that is keep it as it is or introduce three subsections), I just don't think we should move all international threads directly into musicals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 10:29:52 GMT
Re the subforum: Our intention was to discuss international Musicals, Plays and Operas in this one section, hence one general International section rather than three international Musicals, international Plays and international Operas subsections. Personally, I'm fine either way (that is keep it as it is or introduce three subsections), I just don't think we should move all international threads directly into musicals. Yes, if the decision is made to make subfolders, they should definitely be divided under the right categories. |
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Post by kathryn on Dec 5, 2016 10:41:42 GMT
I have to admit I don't check the International section. Really, should, though.
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Post by bellboard27 on Dec 5, 2016 10:44:39 GMT
I like the international section as it is at the moment. I often look at new activity there and am interested in the shows discussed even if I don't get to see some of them. Please don't bury it in the plays/musicals sections.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 10:53:19 GMT
As an alternative solution perhaps the international section could be moved up a bit and come right below Plays, and before Opera and Dance? The Opera and Dance section has just 332 posts compared to 1953 for the international section. Therefore I think it would be justified to give the international section a slightly more visible place. Although it probably won't make that big a difference.
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Post by 49thand8th on Dec 5, 2016 18:58:03 GMT
This is a prime example of why my posts should not be quoted before midday, at least. That was worded very badly. I don't lose interest in a subject because it is in a different section, I will just not view or participate in the thread very often as it is somewhere I don't normally look. Then... change your browsing habits just a little bit? I don't even see how this is an issue. |
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Dec 5, 2016 19:39:39 GMT
I remember there was a mixed reaction when the thread section was first opened. I don't really have an issue with it, but to let everyone have a fair say I really think a vote is a very good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 19:48:17 GMT
I remember there was a mixed reaction when the thread section was first opened. I don't really have an issue with it, but to let everyone have a fair say I really think a vote is a very good idea. I've lost out on the results of the last two big votes we've had (Brexit & Trump) I'd be beside myself if the horse I backed here came in last. I really don't see why it can't remain as it is, if someone can have enough foresight to start an entire thread debating about the international board, surely you can click it? It takes less effort, no? |
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Post by CG on the loose on Dec 5, 2016 20:10:03 GMT
Is it not simply that less people see them compared to UK productions, hence less discussion... that reinforces (for me!) the need to keep them separate as they would disappear too quickly off the front page of the main Musicals (or Plays) section, making them more difficult to find and less likely to generate even less discussion.
ETA: Sorry, should have read on before posting... point already well made!
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Post by ali973 on Dec 5, 2016 21:31:07 GMT
Considering the low traffic in the International section, I think post about non-UK productions wouldn't necessarily compromise the UK ones or vice versa.
I also feel that there's a weird blurred line on what IS international and what isn't especially since so many shows are performed in multiple locations, and our discussions over a certain show with multiple productions might overlap.
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