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Post by rumbledoll on Sept 20, 2016 8:23:46 GMT
HG, if you are immune to the combined charms of Jenna Coleman and Rufus Sewell, there is truly no hope for you. ;-) And on that subject, having just caught up with episode 4: poor Lord M. I'll have your gardenias any day, Rufus, love.
Guess our poor heartbroken Lord M will have less and less screen time as the story unfolds.. Amazes me how much you can say with so little, just a slight change of facial expression. I have no idea what the real one was like but I'm utterly in love with Rufus Sewell's portrayal of this character. Incredibly poignant.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 8:33:56 GMT
I haven't caught up with this week's episode yet but have read what happens. And also - before anyone says it - I have a vague grasp of history! ;-)
Perhaps when Mr Sewell is done playing a conflicted Nazi (guessing that was his next project, as Amazon seem to be promising season 2 of The Man in the High Castle around Christmas), ITV can lure him back for a series entitled 'The Further Adventures of Lord M'. Frankly, the writers wouldn't have to exert themselves - he could just be riding a horse, wearing lovely shirts and staring moodily into the candlelight for 60 minutes every week. I'd watch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 8:49:30 GMT
I haven't caught up with this week's episode yet but have read what happens. And also - before anyone says it - I have a vague grasp of history! ;-) Perhaps when Mr Sewell is done playing a conflicted Nazi (guessing that was his next project, as Amazon seem to be promising season 2 of The Man in the High Castle around Christmas), ITV can lure him back for a series entitled 'The Further Adventures of Lord M'. Frankly, the writers wouldn't have to exert themselves - he could just be riding a horse, wearing lovely shirts and staring moodily into the candlelight for 60 minutes every week. I'd watch. Careful, jean. This thread is objectivication free. There'll be no phwoaring of anyone. Male, female or Lord M's horse. We watch it only for the history. And the pretty dresses, of course...
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Post by viserys on Sept 20, 2016 11:21:21 GMT
HG, if you are immune to the combined charms of Jenna Coleman and Rufus Sewell, there is truly no hope for you. ;-) And on that subject, having just caught up with episode 4: poor Lord M. I'll have your gardenias any day, Rufus, love.
Guess our poor heartbroken Lord M will have less and less screen time as the story unfolds.. Amazes me how much you can say with so little, just a slight change of facial expression. I have no idea what the real one was like but I'm utterly in love with Rufus Sewell's portrayal of this character. Incredibly poignant.
Maybe I lack a grasp of British politics, but I didn't really get why Lord M was having to say an elaborate goodbye to Victoria just because she's getting married? I mean isn't he still prime minister and as such likely to meet the queen very often? Why would he suddenly cease to function as an advisor to a very young queen? I mean, Albert, coming over from Germany, has no idea of British politics and who's who anyway, so he could never replace him.
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Post by rumbledoll on Sept 20, 2016 12:33:12 GMT
I believe at this point Queen does not require an advisor anymore.. As she now older and married she can manage without. As for the Parliment he thinks it's time for him to resign. And considering his feelings to Victoria he's be better off not seeing her with Albert and such. Moreover, Albert is clearly very irritated by someone watching over. Lord M knew this coming right from the start and make the decisions he had too. But it doesn't make it less painful.
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Post by wickedgrin on Sept 20, 2016 12:39:52 GMT
Oh it's really all a bit of soap opera isn't it! I am sure most of what is scripted didn't actually happen. Are we really meant to believe Albert really cut his shirt open on the dance floor to place her flowers on his heart?
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Post by rumbledoll on Sept 20, 2016 12:43:14 GMT
I also think Lord M is not gone for good
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Post by viserys on Sept 20, 2016 13:01:41 GMT
Ah, that makes sense, thanks. I didn't consider the fact that months (if not years) are meant to be passing between episodes.
I haven't looked up Lord M on wikipedia or something, but isn't he the chap who had a little place in Australia named after him?
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Post by bellboard27 on Sept 20, 2016 13:17:29 GMT
Ah, that makes sense, thanks. I didn't consider the fact that months (if not years) are meant to be passing between episodes. I haven't looked up Lord M on wikipedia or something, but isn't he the chap who had a little place in Australia named after him?
Melbourne is in Victoria.
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Post by viserys on Sept 20, 2016 13:50:29 GMT
now you made me splutter tea into my laptop keyboard
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Post by Stasia on Sept 20, 2016 13:50:34 GMT
HG, if you are immune to the combined charms of Jenna Coleman and Rufus Sewell, there is truly no hope for you. ;-) And on that subject, having just caught up with episode 4: poor Lord M. I'll have your gardenias any day, Rufus, love.
Guess our poor heartbroken Lord M will have less and less screen time as the story unfolds.. Amazes me how much you can say with so little, just a slight change of facial expression. I have no idea what the real one was like but I'm utterly in love with Rufus Sewell's portrayal of this character. Incredibly poignant.
The real one was 40 years older than Victoria so I doubt he was just as handsome as Sewell's M is Also from what I've read, I got an impression that in her letters Victoria sees Melbourne as a father figure. But it would be much less interesting to watch, I guess
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 21:10:31 GMT
I haven't caught up with this week's episode yet but have read what happens. And also - before anyone says it - I have a vague grasp of history! ;-) Perhaps when Mr Sewell is done playing a conflicted Nazi (guessing that was his next project, as Amazon seem to be promising season 2 of The Man in the High Castle around Christmas), ITV can lure him back for a series entitled 'The Further Adventures of Lord M'. Frankly, the writers wouldn't have to exert themselves - he could just be riding a horse, wearing lovely shirts and staring moodily into the candlelight for 60 minutes every week. I'd watch. Careful, jean. This thread is objectivication free. There'll be no phwoaring of anyone. Male, female or Lord M's horse. We watch it only for the history. And the pretty dresses, of course... That's entirely your interpretation, caiaphas. I simply meant that Mr S needs no words to connect emotionally with his audience. And that the wardrobe department have a canny eye for male fashion. Obviously. ;-) I mean, if I were to objectify him, I'd have to say something like: 'Lord M can raise a quizzical eyebrow in my direction any time!' Which, of course, I would never say .* Poor Aidan Turner must be baffled. He has to take his shirt off in Poldark to drive the women mad. Sewell's got us falling at his feet while remaining fully clothed. (It's in the eyes, Aidan, it's all in the eyes.) *Thinking it, on the other hand...
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Post by rumbledoll on Sept 20, 2016 21:45:28 GMT
Haha, Jean, please don't stop, I'm looking forward to your every comment in this post )))
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 13:32:36 GMT
Victoria II is on her way...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 16:53:34 GMT
Thought you'd be pleased, Trekkie!
I wonder if there will ever be a Victoria II? (I don't think the name has been used again by the modern Royals, has it? Margaret, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Zara, Eugenie, Beatrice, Sophie... Why no Victoria, I wonder?)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 17:15:05 GMT
Thought you'd be pleased, Trekkie! I wonder if there will ever be a Victoria II? (I don't think the name has been used again by the modern Royals, has it? Margaret, Elizabeth, Charlotte, Zara, Eugenie, Beatrice, Sophie... Why no Victoria, I wonder?) Not in our life time. If the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have another girl maybe we could have at least Princess Victoria. So pleased we've got a second series. I genuinely love Sunday evenings. Poldark then Victoria.
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Post by Musicality21 on Sept 23, 2016 19:50:01 GMT
I'm really enjoying this and glad it's hopefully getting another series. It's a period of history that I don't know a lot about apart from the basics that everyone knows. My interests usually fall further back in history so I'm actually on the lookout for a good book about Victoria as I really want to learn more about her and the period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 20:33:18 GMT
Just caught up with last night's Gogglebox. They're watching Victoria.
Scene: Victoria and Albert's wedding night. Victoria is looking coy, in nightie. Albert enters, looking very nervous.
Victoria: Would you like some Madeira?
Albert: (looks more nervous)
Mr Malone, a none too gifted Goggleboxer: Cake?
Mrs Malone, his long suffering wife: WINE!
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Post by rumbledoll on Sept 27, 2016 8:51:20 GMT
Expected the latest Ep to be a complete waste without Lord M and his charms but I must admit I'm still very much enjoying it. Glad it got Series 2 and probably more so we might get the glimpse of the entire reign of Victoria.
All the things I know about this period came from watching Horrible Hisrtories ))) So I'm aware of the fun stuff and major spoilers, but not the details in between. Even though I guess I cannot believe every single word they say as this dramatisation seems to take some liberties so far.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 21:58:16 GMT
KevinUK may be glad we've seen the back of Lord M, but I'm not.
Albert's such a drip! I found myself doing an Ann Widdecombe impersonation at that 'going in to dinner' scene: "Come on, assert yourself, Albert!"
But no, he just hung back and looked like a kicked puppy.
Can you imagine Lord M in that situation? He'd send the 'sticklers for the rules' packing with just the hint of an insolent smile.
I miss Lord M.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 6:51:43 GMT
Poor Albert was restricted by position, title and tradition. It's unthinkable really, that he couldn't walk into dinner with his wife. I would like to be a fly on the wall if Prince Phillip is/was ever in such a position though 😂 Now that's an episode I'd love to watch!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 21:09:51 GMT
A grand final episode! Loved the auditions for wet-nurse, the image of the pregnant queen balancing her bowl of marrons glaces on her bump, and that beautiful long orchestral version of the Alleluia theme song as the episode was wrapping up...
We look forward to Victoria II. Long may she reign!
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Post by johartuk on Oct 10, 2016 0:13:41 GMT
I've enjoyed watching this, but I found Jenna Coleman a bit hammy at times (both she and the actor who played Albert seemed to be channelling their 'inner stroppy teenager', complete with bouts of sulking and general moodiness). Jenna's vocal delivery was a bit strange and forced at times - as if she was speaking how she thought a queen should speak, which was OK in scenes when she was dealing with courtiers/subjects, but odd when she was supposed to be having a private conversation with Lord M, Prince Albert or anyone else she was close to. Rufus Sewell acted her off the screen in every scene they were in together - she often seemed a bit OTT, while he managed to often convey something with just a glance or a slight flicker of a smile (or frown).
I found it pretty slow - they could probably have wrapped things up in 6 episodes if they'd cut out some of the repetitive waffle (how many times was it mentioned in the final two eps that Victoria might die in childbirth, and how many times did we hear the words 'poor Charlotte'?) and moved things on at a brisker pace.
I felt a bit sorry for the Duke of Cumberland in tonight's ep - wrongly accused of plotting to murder his niece, and then not so much as an apology when it turned out that he was innocent, and the would-be assassin was actually a lone nutter. I suspect that in reality, Cumberland was more sinned against than sinning (apparently, he was disliked by politicians and the media, so they were more than happy to spread negative gossip about him, whether true or not). I read an interesting book on him, and he was accused of all sorts during his life, including having an affair with his sister which resulted in the birth of an illegitimate child, murdering a footman, murdering his wife...blimey, that would make a heck of a TV drama!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 7:16:47 GMT
Haven't seen the final episode yet but am inclined to agree with the Telegraph reviewer, who said he'd been bored the last few weeks, for which he was blaming Rufus Sewell for having such great chemistry with Jenna Coleman and then leaving so early. Sewell does, of course, have a pretty solid defence (historical fact, m'lud) but I take the reviewer's point. The pair of them did sizzle, which is exactly what Sunday night period drama audiences want - so Vicky/Albert felt like something of a damp squib in comparison. Which is unfortunate, given that in real life they were something of a love match!
I've actually rather enjoyed Coleman's performance though. I think she's been so good at conveying how hard Victoria must have found it to, quite literally, succeed in a man's world. Though I know what johartuk means - there were a couple of times I thought she would turn to a courtier a la Blackadder's Elizabeth I, smile sweetly and say, "Melchie, who's queen?" when she wanted to get her own way! ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 7:51:22 GMT
Say what you like about this series but Tom Hughes does have glorious hair.
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Post by poster J on Oct 10, 2016 9:24:54 GMT
I really enjoyed this, but agree the last couple of episodes were a bit slow. I like Jenna Coleman anyway and thought she did a great job, but Sewell was so good he was sorely missed when Lord M went off into retirement! Looking forward to the next series though.
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Post by viserys on Oct 10, 2016 16:00:19 GMT
For me it wasn't just the chemistry between Sewell and Coleman that was missing from the last episodes, it was the whole plot as such that turned tedious. The first episodes were more about politics, Victoria establishing herself as Queen, getting a new parliament together, finding a husband and so on. Once she had got together with Albert, it all went downhill. I liked the bit about the train ride and Albert urging Victoria to be more open to modern developments, but there was too much trivia around the baby (and the risk of Victoria dying), sudden and pointless nonsense like the stalker of the last episode, the "affair" between Ernst and the Duchess and the downstairs subplot between the Italian chef and the dull lady's maid. I hope they'll return to more politics and scenes that deal with Victoria's unique situation as a young queen in a period of great change and less of the romance subplots which we have in dozens of other shows.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 17:15:39 GMT
What a truly wonderful series. I will miss Sunday evenings with Victoria and Albert.
What a beautiful closing scene!
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Post by Dawnstar on Oct 10, 2016 18:10:27 GMT
I haven't watched this series yet I found myself dreaming about it last night. Goodness only knows why. Though I think my subconscious mind was getting it mixed up with Doctor Who as in my dream Matt Smith was playing Prince Albert!
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Post by lou105 on Oct 10, 2016 19:40:27 GMT
I haven't watched this series yet I found myself dreaming about it last night. Goodness only knows why. Though I think my subconscious mind was getting it mixed up with Doctor Who as in my dream Matt Smith was playing Prince Albert! Well, he is about to appear as Prince Phillip..
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