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Post by Jon on Sept 13, 2021 12:32:24 GMT
Odd given they've already finished filming it! Films due to be released last year it was understandable, but this one not so much. Unless the schedules for next year are now already overcrowded? I think it's less to do with scheduling and more to with post production.
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 10, 2022 10:27:02 GMT
Teaser trailer alert.... no sign of Ursula yet but a little bit of Ariel and "Part Of Your World".
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Post by inthenose on Sept 10, 2022 11:42:05 GMT
Yep. Exactly as expected.
£20 saved.
Ps. Part of your… Woooorrrr-huuuu-uuurllll-YAY-Yyeeeahhhh-mmmmmmmm-uhhhhh-uhhhhhhhuhhhhhh.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 10, 2022 11:46:16 GMT
Wicked is going to be juuuu-heee-huuuusssst th-uh-uh-uhhhhh- same.
Erm.
“Yaaaas queen”. Etc.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 10, 2022 11:48:37 GMT
I must agree that there is no need for that sort of vocal embellishment. It doesn't make it more current or relevant.
It is an indulgence.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 10, 2022 11:50:21 GMT
I must agree that there is no need for that sort of vocal embellishment. It doesn't make it more current or relevant. It is an indulgence. That won’t be even the start of it. “Yaaaas Queen” all over the place, I can just tell. This isn’t for me.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 10, 2022 12:07:19 GMT
“Riff my kweeeeen!! Slaaaay! Slaaaaay!”
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 10, 2022 12:48:44 GMT
Yeah the "Ariana/Mariah-ryness" definitely isn't needed and sounds silly.
But if they get Ursula right I will forgive them literally everything.
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Post by margoc on Sept 10, 2022 12:58:22 GMT
Looks like a box ticking money grab to me, just like wicked.
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Post by stuartmcd on Sept 10, 2022 13:02:38 GMT
Well I think it looks quite wonderful
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Post by alicechallice on Sept 10, 2022 13:18:36 GMT
Yep. Exactly as expected. £20 saved. Ps. Part of your… Woooorrrr-huuuu-uuurllll-YAY-Yyeeeahhhh-mmmmmmmm-uhhhhh-uhhhhhhhuhhhhhh. £20?!!! You need to get yourself an Odeon Limitless card, dear.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 10, 2022 13:22:45 GMT
It’s only £4.99 at Vue Manchester. Any film, any time.
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 10, 2022 13:30:30 GMT
Well I think it looks quite wonderful Me too! Looks like robertb213 beat me to it posting the link. As one of my favourite Disney films, I couldn't have imagined it looking this good! The fish and the turtle. The fluidity of Ariels fins! So we get to see Ariel. The fact that she is of colour is not so much of an issue for me, as long as she can sing. her is red and they capture Ariel's fiesty determination. We also get a glimpse of Flounder. I'll be great to see Sebastian, Prince Eric, King Triton and Ursula. Also Scuttle, Flotsam & Jetson, Grimsby and Chef Louis. Maybe in future trailers?
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Post by inthenose on Sept 10, 2022 14:45:05 GMT
Yep. Exactly as expected. £20 saved. Ps. Part of your… Woooorrrr-huuuu-uuurllll-YAY-Yyeeeahhhh-mmmmmmmm-uhhhhh-uhhhhhhhuhhhhhh. £20?!!! You need to get yourself an Odeon Limitless card, dear. Cineworld adult ticket - £10.20, petrol/parking approx £7. If I wanted popcorn and a Coca Cola, it’s closer to £25.
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 10, 2022 16:17:05 GMT
Lots of silly comments spreading negativity online, mostly around the fact that she doesn't look EXACTLY like the animated Ariel. Doesn't bother me in the slightest and I'm looking forward to seeing it. They just need to calm those vocals down a tad.
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Post by christya on Sept 10, 2022 16:36:31 GMT
Oh dear. I think I'll pass, too. A shame, because it looks as though they've done some lovely CGI work. But she's messing with the vocals and her hair looks awful. I'll Disney+ it eventually.
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Post by asfound on Sept 10, 2022 17:00:53 GMT
Looks like every other Disney live action remake to me, yet another generic, cynical and creatively bankrupt money making exercise.
The visuals are dreary and bland, the singing is terrible and exaggerated, and it doesn't even look like she's underwater.
I'm sure it will print money as intended. That's nostalgia and brand power.
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Post by Jon on Sept 10, 2022 22:45:08 GMT
Rob Marshall is usually a solid director so I'll give it a shot when it's released.
Disney remaking their animated films as live action isn't a recent thing, 101 Dalmatians was remade with Glenn Close in 1996 and in 1994 we had a live action take of The Jungle Book. This is the company that adapted stories and fairytales for its animated features way back in 1937 then did started doing DTV sequels in the 1990s, if something is successful, they will milk the concept for all its worth.
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Post by johartuk on Sept 10, 2022 22:47:05 GMT
Yep. Exactly as expected. £20 saved. Ps. Part of your… Woooorrrr-huuuu-uuurllll-YAY-Yyeeeahhhh-mmmmmmmm-uhhhhh-uhhhhhhhuhhhhhh. The unnecessary riffing is jarring. It's a shame they went down that route because the actress' voice has a lovely tone to it. The riffing also takes away from the emotion of the song.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 10, 2022 23:28:32 GMT
It is hard to term this a live action remake when so much of it is digital by necessity.
It is at most a hybrid piece. But that is harder from a marketing perspective
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Post by Jon on Sept 11, 2022 1:09:49 GMT
It is hard to term this a live action remake when so much of it is digital by necessity. It is at most a hybrid piece. But that is harder from a marketing perspective The Lion King in 2019 is essentially a realistic CGI remake, it's not live action because nothing in it is live action.
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Post by dan28 on Sept 11, 2022 11:03:02 GMT
I must say that I was very excited for this movie, I liked the choices in production and casting they have made so far. I also love the teaser trailer in terms of darkness, music, overall look and semi-realistic approach.
I thought that Halle Bailey was well cast and I think her voice has a beautiful tone, essential for the role.
But I am very disappointed in her approach, pronunciation and riffs. She does not seem to articulate the words properly, like a lazy pop-singer. This is very important to get to the core of a song, word, feeling. Howard Ashman understood this very well. He knew the importance of keeping it truthful and therefore he was so strict about how every word should be sung. Then there is the completely misplaced riff. Whenever Jodi Benson started to go her own way, belting or riffing, she was immediately corrected because Ashman wrote those words for a reason. Especially that last "could be" should be silenced, numbed in stillness and disappointment. The song is not suitable for riffs at all, but that last moment is the least acceptable moment of all the lines in the song.
I have also seen the part before, "what's a fire AND why does it". The "AND" is a misplaced ad-lib in itself and is way too disconnected from the lyric and sound like a soul diva moment for no reason. Then there's the part where she sings "wouldn't I love", and she drags that note, the word (love) down, basically the word "love" is a downward ad-lib in itself, which is really a shame. Because the word love in that melody should embody some kind of longing, reaching, desire and have an upward intention. And after that there is the powerhouse soul diva riff on "explore the shore of abo-ho-hove", which also way too show-offish for Ariel in that moment and comes off as not sincere. And then it is topped off with the "be-eeeh-ieiieyeah" at the end. Shameful. Howard will be spinning in his grave.
Who on earth is allowing this and why do people not realize that this takes away from the sincerity of the moment? Do people really only stay awake or recognize emotions when there is insincerity involved? What has the world come to?
I have a feeling that people like Alan Menken so desperately want to stay current, and that when someone comes with this idea, he automatically thinks that it is cool and that it would make him automatically cool too and he's too scared or ignorant to dare to say anything about it? Or scared to be seen as not inclusive if he won't let the material get trashed by screams, riffs, ad-libs and poor pronunciation?
Another problem with this is that the actual melody is not in the song anymore. Considering she did not sing 1 line as written of all the lines that were leaked online (basically the 2nd half of the song), it could very well be that kids from today will never know the melody.
Edit: I just heard her live performance of the whole song and she sings other melodies wrong too, "but who cares" for example, she really does not even understand the melody. That is not an ad-lib, just a mistake.
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Post by dan28 on Sept 11, 2022 13:42:50 GMT
Edit: Unfortunately the D23 audio clip was not a live audio clip, but the actual film version of the song. So it has a wrong melody and ad libs.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 12, 2022 15:41:39 GMT
I’ll tell you what is just a little frustrating. People elsewhere on SM/YouTube comments are, very much like here, giving specific reasons why they are unsure about how this film will succeed artistically. Lots and lots of comments discussing Halle Bailey’s vocal performance, making critiques that - at the very least - are worthy of debate.
Regrettably, there are unquestionably some absolute morons who are frankly just being racist and “trolling”, and on the other side there are organised groups shutting down any and all criticism as being rooted in racism, regardless of the actual critique.
Bit of a mess, really.
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 12, 2022 16:10:41 GMT
The racism side is really quite bizarre. If you're that concerned over what colour a MERMAID should be, you might not have enough real problems to worry about! 🤣
Sadly the vocals are just a sign of the times I guess, that's the style that's popular in mainstream music and god forbid we have a musical that sounds too "musical theatre" 🤣
I'm still keeping an open mind. A lot could be really good about it. But if they ruin Ursula, I WILL riot 🤣
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Post by danb on Sept 12, 2022 17:32:58 GMT
The end of ‘Part of Your World’ lends itself to a bit of riffing so its ok by me, so long as the main body of the song is sung straight.
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 12, 2022 18:02:09 GMT
I was thinking it would be her only song but Menken and LMM have written 4 new songs for the film. One of them "contains rapping", so god help us all. It's too much to hope they put "I Want The Good Times Back" in from the Broadway show, isn't it. A boy can dream.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 12, 2022 20:37:59 GMT
Yeah, I mean it’s not like I’d actually pay to go and see this anyway, but it’s interesting to follow how it comes out. Having watched/heard a leak on YouTube of the full “Part of Your World”, I am not impressed. I didn’t see Aladdin or The Lion King at the cinema either, and certainly didn’t regret it when I did see them, so it’s no biggie.
I really liked “The World Above” from the musical, and when I watched the original Disney movie a few years back it actually felt missing, which is credit to how well it fit into the show on stage.
I do wonder if “new” means newly written, or new compared to the original movie. I could see “The World Above”, “She’s in Love” or “I Want the Good Times Back” slotting in there nicely.
But I suspect it means brand new, especially if there is to be - *gulp* - rapping.
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Post by Jon on Sept 12, 2022 21:05:12 GMT
I don't really get the issue with rapping especially since the song in question will probably be for either Sebastian or Scuttle.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 12, 2022 21:11:23 GMT
I don't really get the issue with rapping especially since the song in question will probably be for either Sebastian or Scuttle. Oh, no issue, I’m just not a fan of rapping so it’s another turn off. Combined with the vocal styling of Ariel, it’s just not going to be my thing, but as a man in my mid 30’s I don’t expect it to be. Still allowed an opinion, though
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