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Post by mrnutz on Feb 21, 2024 9:36:39 GMT
How long was it? They haven't put the running time back on the site yet, so presumably still in flux.
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Post by alessia on Feb 21, 2024 10:14:37 GMT
Oh dear...I am going Saturday...now really not sure I want to
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Post by cavocado on Feb 21, 2024 10:30:08 GMT
This sounds disappointing. I think there's a lot of potential in the advent of the NHS as a subject of drama, even with three plays in a year. I'm seeing this next week - hopefully some of the problems might have been addressed by then.
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Post by eatbigsea on Feb 21, 2024 10:59:14 GMT
How long was it? They haven't put the running time back on the site yet, so presumably still in flux. 3 hours 10. There was constant motion and the scenes were mostly short, but I did feel it (especially the 90 minute second half).
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Post by theatremiss on Feb 21, 2024 18:33:38 GMT
Looks like this will be a no from me then. Even 3hrs 10mins makes it a huge rush to get to the Lyttleton for a 1830hrs start. Starting it at 1400hrs would be a better option
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Post by happysooz2 on Feb 21, 2024 19:41:04 GMT
What’s the Donmar policy on returns?
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Post by Rory on Feb 21, 2024 19:55:17 GMT
What’s the Donmar policy on returns? They give you a credit minus a £1.50 transaction fee.
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Post by Being Alive on Feb 21, 2024 22:05:09 GMT
Looks like this will be a no from me then. Even 3hrs 10mins makes it a huge rush to get to the Lyttleton for a 1830hrs start. Starting it at 1400hrs would be a better option A 2.30pm would finish at 5.40pm, giving you 50 minutes to do the 20 minute walk to the National - I think you've got time?
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Post by Jon on Feb 21, 2024 22:28:25 GMT
Looks like this will be a no from me then. Even 3hrs 10mins makes it a huge rush to get to the Lyttleton for a 1830hrs start. Starting it at 1400hrs would be a better option A 2.30pm would finish at 5.40pm, giving you 50 minutes to do the 20 minute walk to the National - I think you've got time? The Donmar is only a few minutes from Leicester Square Station which is only two stops from Waterloo and if you take the exit on the South Bank then it's only in total 20 minutes max.
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Post by chameleon1 on Feb 22, 2024 0:09:59 GMT
3hours 5minutes tonight. But 45 minutes of the 2h 45 playing time is set changes. Technically, this must be a nightmare. Short scenes, set changes with substantial objects coming on an off, rapid costume changes, videography. The narrative sags. Keeley Hawes is great, but her romance with the Jack Davenport character doesn't ring true (maybe partly because we don't see any chemistry between them) - and that isn't helped by the filmed scenes, which just confirm the artifice. The tricky relationship with the husband isn't helped by the fact that Goodman Hill, unlike Davenport, is playing several other characters, which makes this relationship less substantial, even though the message the production is given, with the filmed sequences, is the other way around. Then, there's an entire subplot about the Hawes character's attempts to be an MP, which give her an excuse to travel, but disrupts the politics of the ending.. This feels like a script that wanted to be a film. As a play, it becomes heavy-handed and unconvincing. With less dialogue, and less clumsy on-stage filming, and more easy close-ups, and instant transitions, and a two-hour playing time, it could fly...
For this production, perhaps the best medicine would be to ditch all the substantial bits of set, and perform the entire thing with four chairs, a desk, and a trolley.
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Post by eatbigsea on Feb 22, 2024 1:07:57 GMT
3hours 5minutes tonight. But 45 minutes of the 2h 45 playing time is set changes. Technically, this must be a nightmare. Short scenes, set changes with substantial objects coming on an off, rapid costume changes, videography. The narrative sags. Keeley Hawes is great, but her romance with the Jack Davenport character doesn't ring true (maybe partly because we don't see any chemistry between them) - and that isn't helped by the filmed scenes, which just confirm the artifice. The tricky relationship with the husband isn't helped by the fact that Goodman Hill, unlike Davenport, is playing several other characters, which makes this relationship less substantial, even though the message the production is given, with the filmed sequences, is the other way around. Then, there's an entire subplot about the Hawes character's attempts to be an MP, which give her an excuse to travel, but disrupts the politics of the ending.. This feels like a script that wanted to be a film. As a play, it becomes heavy-handed and unconvincing. With less dialogue, and less clumsy on-stage filming, and more easy close-ups, and instant transitions, and a two-hour playing time, it could fly...
For this production, perhaps the best medicine would be to ditch all the substantial bits of set, and perform the entire thing with four chairs, a desk, and a trolley.
Yes, and ditch the “handwashing.” I don’t know why (perhaps because we’ve all just been through Covid) but that irritated me enormously.
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Post by theatremiss on Feb 22, 2024 10:53:32 GMT
Looks like this will be a no from me then. Even 3hrs 10mins makes it a huge rush to get to the Lyttleton for a 1830hrs start. Starting it at 1400hrs would be a better option A 2.30pm would finish at 5.40pm, giving you 50 minutes to do the 20 minute walk to the National - I think you've got time? I have mobility issues so it will be Leicester Sq to Waterloo, then walk to NT. I long for the time I could skip across the bridge from Charing Cross to South Bank. My real issue will be grabbing something to eat and drink, plus a loo stop, very tight for time.
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Post by Rory on Feb 22, 2024 10:57:39 GMT
I think someone said on Twitter it was now 2hrs 40mins so maybe worth checking with the Donmar if that's accurate.
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Post by theatremiss on Feb 22, 2024 11:12:17 GMT
I think someone said on Twitter it was now 2hrs 40mins so maybe worth checking with the Donmar if that's accurate. Thank you I will
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Post by alessia on Feb 23, 2024 10:49:53 GMT
The email I was sent this morning stated 2 hours 55 minutes with a 20 minutes interval...
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Post by mrnutz on Feb 23, 2024 18:35:12 GMT
Getting lower! Its close relation, Nye at the NT, is reporting a 2:50 runtime ahead of its first preview.
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Post by alessia on Feb 24, 2024 22:42:47 GMT
I really liked this. Yes it’s long finishing at 10.15 this evening but I never felt it was dragging. I was never bored - it is like a romantic film from the 1940s -(obvious references are made to Brief Encounter) including the black and white projections on the large screen. The whole thing is really enjoyable and the acting is great. Loved it.
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Post by nottobe on Feb 24, 2024 22:57:16 GMT
I'll post a fuller response tomorrow but I thought this was exceptional tonight and I completely adored it. A brilliant piece of writing with echos of old Hollywood stories, great direction and a super cast.
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Post by nottobe on Feb 25, 2024 9:21:10 GMT
As soon as this was announced I knew I wanted to see it mainly because of Keeley Hawes but the premise also intrigued me.
We are in 1948 Shropshire and Iris Elcock is a GP and also champion for the incoming NHS with ambitions to become an MP. This play is on one level a look at a woman of her time trying to navigate the political world and improve it as much as she can but also it is a wonderful tale of romance. Personally Brief Encounter is one of my favourite films and this really does feel like an adaption and love letter to the original story but also a homage to black and white cinema itself. Brief Encounter even gets a name drop in the play.
Lucy Kirkwood has written a terrific script that has a certain familiarity to it but also gives us a new look at a period of social history I personally knew little about. There are laughs and there are also emotional moments, I especially loved the cafe scene with the talk of Broccoli Vs Ice-cream.
Keeley Hawes gives a wonderful performance as Iris Elcock and it is one she really feels suited to. I also found the chemistry between her and Jack Davenport to be very good and equally he is very aptly cast in his role. I always believed there characters and the journey that they went on. The supporting cast (Tom Goodman Hill, Siobhan Redmond, and Pearl Mackie) are also great, all playing several characters each. Every character in this is very well created and all three are given particular moments to shine, Mackie has a scene in the second act that especially good.
What really elevates this production is the direction from Michael Longhurst and Ann Yee. At first I did feel a bit distracted with the constantly moving revolve but I got use to it and it really worked. I'm sure as the run settles in the scene changes will shorten but I found this fluid direction to really work. The use of cameras was also one I really think worked, especially to evoke the Brief Encounteresque moments. All the cinematography was so beautiful to look at too.
The runtime was about 2 hours 40 minutes but I never thought it dragged at all and was completely engrossed throughout, so if the run time shortens it will probably be with quicker scene changes. I think you can tell that I adored this and would give it a five out of five!
This seems to have its press night on the cut off for the Olivier's so I really hope it is able to scoop some nominations and maybe even get a transfer.
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Post by alessia on Feb 25, 2024 12:17:40 GMT
I forgot to mention in my comment above how amazing the whole cast is- the two main actors but also and maybe especially, the three supporting- they each play several characters and with the tight set changes and costume changes, it really is a feat and everyone was perfect. I can’t imagine how long it took for everyone to learn the movements (including the Donmar staff!) - the staging is really imaginative. There is humour and there is drama and romance. It’s hard to find fault to be hones.
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Post by nash16 on Feb 25, 2024 22:29:39 GMT
We really weren’t taken with this last night.
A play supposedly drawing us in because it’s about the NHS, but instead we got a patronising sub-par period romance instead.
How Keeley Hawes, who is wonderful in it if not pushing herself much with the role, doesn’t throw up with the eternally revolving stage? She deserves an Olivier nod just for that.
The use of video is unnecessary in such a tiny space, and was the source of us feeling patronised: it was only used when Davenport’s movie star was onstage, but it’s like, we get it.
I think someone mentioned above about it must have been a script idea for tv or film. It definitely feels that, and has now been shoehorned into being a play, with its plentiful, super short, scenes. The technicians even get a bow at the end which is warranted, but if you took them all away the play wouldn’t be lesser than it already is.
Tom GH and Siobhan R raid the accent and funny walk box for all their worth and succeed.
But ultimately the play is dull.
No drama.
And nothing really to chew on re the setting up of the NHS.
It felt like something the old crowd at the Orange Tree circa 2005 would have gone to see to have a nice nap to.
Having said this we had two Keeley Hawes fans who had travelled from Spain next to us who loved it and on the way out were chatting about how it was the best play they had ever seen.
Non KH obsessives, like us, might find it less enthralling though.
Such an odd choice for Longhurst to depart on.
2-3 stars.
5 stars from the KH fans though.
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Post by mrnutz on Feb 26, 2024 11:01:47 GMT
Running time is back up on the Donmar site - 2h45m, including a 20 min interval.
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Post by drmaplewood on Feb 27, 2024 22:37:52 GMT
Was at press night tonight. Pretty much 70 mins each half with 20 minute interval.
I thought this was a mess. Hawkes does very well with what she is given but the staging is so clumsily done with all unnecessary camera work (and if you're sat further back in the side stalls, you will struggle to see most of the screen anyway) and the last 15 mins in particular is just baffling. Felt like polite applause at the curtain, which makes me very curious how the press will respond.
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Post by mrnutz on Feb 28, 2024 10:42:36 GMT
Reviews seem to be mainly three stars, with praise for the leads but not so much for the play itself.
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Post by demelza on Feb 28, 2024 23:32:59 GMT
I was also at press night yesterday and enjoyed it. I went in with low expectations and they were exceeded — I have also been waiting to see Jack Davenport on stage for many years now so the play could have been three hours of him reading the dictionary and I would have had a good time! The script is somewhat muddled, but I thought that the performances by all the cast were what really shone (and the brilliant work from the Stage Management team!) and elevated what otherwise could have been a dreary night at the theatre
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Post by Steve on Mar 1, 2024 0:16:01 GMT
Saw this tonight and it's a very odd play that doesn't really add up to more than the sum of its parts, although it's parts are quite enjoyable regardless. Some spoilers follow. . . At one point, Keeley Hawes's Iris says that her love affair with Jack Davenport's George is the only "technicolor" part of her life. But this contrary production is determined to turn her love affair into the very black and white "Brief Encounter," which seems most odd. It's especially odd since "Brief Encounter" can't be bettered as a black and white movie about a stiff-upper-lipped desperate period love affair, so the movie that's broadcast on the wall behind the actors is either a mere pastiche of "Brief Encounter" or it is a commentary that Iris's love affair is not "technicolor" at all. In any event, Emma Rice, in her eternal optimism about the human condition, already made what amounts to a cheery "technicolor" play version of "Brief Encounter," and that was more fun than this. But this isn't meant to be fun, anyway, as it's essentially a "woman trapped" kind of play, so the spiraling stage was one of my favourite parts of the production, which, coupled with the Bernard Herrmann type music, and boosted by Keeley Hawes's clench-teethed performance, made the production as much a doomladen version of Hitchcock's "Vertigo" as it was of Lean's "Brief Encounter." This worked doubly well, thematically, but also as a democratic method of giving those at the sides a good view of the actors. Unfortunately, the production is neither as romantic as "Brief Encounter," nor as thrilling as "Vertigo," so it never really finds it's emotional thrust. There was one ray of technicolor sunshine in the production tonight, and it was Flora Jacoby Richardson as Hawes's Iris's daughter, constantly rabbitting on enthusiastically about Princess Elizabeth's dresses, which, unlike the NHS, will never be available to ordinary people. This was constantly funny to me, as her passion for the dresses exceeded anyone's passion for the NHS, and if the point of her character was to suggest we shouldn't be gawking at royalty, this deeply failed, as the cheery kid's enthusiasm (she even gave Hawes the most joyous "thumbs up" after the bows lol) was way too infectious, especially when compared to the dourness of everybody else. Odd. Even Bevan (not depicted) came across badly, described as using dehumanising Trumpian language, even if his accomplishments are the very best of Britain. Again, odd. As far as Keeley Hawes's plays go, I preferred "Rocket to the Moon" to this, and preferred this to "Barking in Essex," but despite the fact she's never been in a truly brilliant production, she herself was terrific in all three of these, serving each play with exactly the notes asked of her, so I fully expect one day she'll hit the jackpot with a truly great play. Of the supporting ensemble, I thought Siobhan Redmond magnificently morphed into a whole range of quirky characters. For me, this weird portrait of a woman and an NHS going round in circles gets 3 and a half stars for it's intriguing but never-melding parts. PS: This finished at 10:15pm on the dot, and I was out by 10:18pm.
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Post by showgirl on Mar 3, 2024 4:41:04 GMT
Having read the early comments here I'd been prepared to return my ticket, so although the reviews persuaded me to keep it, I'd modified my expectations and was therefore expecting less than I did of "Till The Stars Come Down", which I'd seen a few days earlier and which definitely didn't quite live up to them. The performances and staging were excellent but though I wasn't exactly bored, I did find my mind wandering at times and at the end, I was left wondering what the point had been and what Lucy Kirkwood had been aiming for. For me, the huge number of characters and short scenes worked against creating a coherent whole so that the play semed to try to have it both ways, ie to show via an epic sweep the creation of the NHS but also to tell some personal stories, so depth and scope were constantly at odds. Also, a small point but I found Geroge Blythe's swearing implausible and unpleasant.
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Post by Rory on Mar 3, 2024 4:56:27 GMT
I saw this last night and have to agree with much of what others have said. There's just a little bit too much going on in terms of the multiple characters, video scenes and never ending revolve for us to really focus at times on the nuances and depth beneath the surface. The scene which I thought was the best in the play was the longer beach scene at the top of Act 2, which didn't feel quite so rushed and allowed the characters to breathe a little.
Still, it wasn't dull at all and the staging is so dynamic that it didn't feel overlong (we were out at 10.10pm). I really liked the overall blue aesthetic of the set and props by Fly Davis, and I thought the acting was universally excellent. I must admit to being thrilled to finally see Keeley Hawes on stage, being a fully paid up member of the DI Lindsay Denton fan club (Line of Duty). And This Life means a lot to me as a show so I was very pleased to see Jack Davenport also. I liked the chemistry between them.
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Post by happysooz2 on Mar 4, 2024 12:06:25 GMT
I’ve just returned two circle tickets for the evening performance on March 29th (Good Friday) if anyone’s looking. They should be on the Donmar site now.
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Post by mrnutz on Mar 4, 2024 12:25:02 GMT
I've returned two front row circle tickets for this Thursday evening.
Life's too short to sit through 3 hours of a 3-star play, even for Keeley Hawes!
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